Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11419456)

Your attitude and unwavering neutrality’s unbelievable. You being the debater you are will find something to argue about but I’ve said my own. I will never, ever, ever agree with you on subjects like this and I’m cool with that. Our experiences and perspectives are incompatible here. But do you.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11419460)

That's cool. I know there are some things about which we do agree.

I think the uber-privileged types like to pass down their chip, shoulder-to-shoulder; maybe crosses can get passed down too :)

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11419423)

…I’ve read all of the reasoning of ‘Theatre Black Out…’ performances and as was said earlier in the thread…this isn’t a first, I think that 2019 was the first one so 4 years ago…?…anyway, this is a ‘black story’ written by a ‘black playwright’ and ‘addressing a black audience’ for that input dynamic…?….and because it’s felt that Theatre goers are ‘predominantly white’ audience, this is intended to create or balance that…?…to encourage a black audience into the theatre/theatres…?…so addressing an ‘imbalance’ as perceived, if you like …by creating and deepening an imbalance…by making that imbalance into a divide and divisive thing…?…as well intentioned as it may be, it’s surely very misguided and was obviously always going to be perceived as ‘extreme’…there were ways to do this that weren’t going to pull against any positives it hoped to achieve…many tickets could have been given to black clubs and organisations …it could be looked at as to whether the production could become ‘mobile’ and taken out to those communities also…?…there are ways that would have kept it all ‘about the arts’ and not just fuelling already highly fuelled culture wars that are present in in our modern day world….but this, I think…will just add to a divide that is already extremely concerning….this isn’t addressing, surely…?…it’s aggravating, whether unintentional or not…that was always going to be what we see…

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 11419471)

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So, people in a mixed race relationship won’t be able to see it together then.
What exactly is meant by white gaze, is it gazing at the drama on stage or gazing at other theatre goers.
Surely being all inclusive would be more beneficial to all.

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 11419471)

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So, people in a mixed race relationship won’t be able to see it together then.
What exactly is meant by white gaze, is it gazing at the drama on stage or gazing at other theatre goers.
Surely being all inclusive would be more beneficial to all.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11419466)

Yes absolutely, it's not good the way race relations are being handled lately. It's almost encouraging segregation again which can not be a good thing.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11419508)

I find it disturbing that a theatre can attempt to welcome only black people to a performance while at the same time casting black actors in roles clearly meant to be white characters. I saw a film recently where a black Guardsman was cast in Victorian times. The first black man entered the Guards in the 1986 and he had a bloody awful time. Pretending that there were black Guardsmen in Victoria's era is not only an insult to what he went through, it makes unthinking people imagine that it was true and everything was fine back then when the very reverse is true. For some people films will be the only history they ever get. I wonder why black people put up with it and don't demand that their history is not distorted. Casting black actors as members of English society in history is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as casting a Jew or a working class person. You can't have a discussion about this though, or you're racist.

We have some fine black actors in this country and seeing them in roles that are believable is great. But I saw The Mousetrap, about a middle-class group of people set in the 1940s and half the cast were black. I can suspend my disbelief, but not that far.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11419516)

You only need to look at google's AI image generator in action to know what is going on. You can't get it to generate a picture of a white person as that is not inclusive (and they don't even realise the irony of what they are saying)

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11419518)

Type into Google images - "stock image shoplifter"

:joker:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11419285)

Just identify as black on the night.:shrug:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11419397)

Not often we agree Mock :laugh:

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11419452)

For one night, Mock. They’re welcome to do an Asian or Hispanic night some other time but that’s just not what this is about.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11419851)

Legally, white folks, brown folks, blue folks any colour folks can go any time a performance is selling tickets to the public.

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11420183)

This is it.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11420193)

"everyone gets the things they deserve"

and just who dictates what people "deserve"?



absolute nonsense

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11420196)

You being you wouldn’t exactly say anything else.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11420198)

note you dont address the actual point

one imagines you cant