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Jessica. 23-10-2024 09:33 PM

It's not antisemitic though, it's just an item of clothing in support of Palestine, you can hate genocide without bringing religion into it.

GlitterUK 23-10-2024 11:37 PM

There bags should be checked before hand so someone must be getting fired. Probably someone who just saw a fruit and that was it.

joeysteele 24-10-2024 12:01 AM

Good heavens she must be the devil incarnate.
Gone from Zionist to being anti-Semitic to being racist.

What utter nonsense.

Mystic Mock 24-10-2024 12:05 AM

I know that Ali is a bit loopy politically imo.

But she has the right to express her views on the Show, I don't know who these people think they are trying to tell the Show to basically stop her from expressing her views.

We are in a country that's meant to allow freedom of speech, including speech that you don't like.

Mitchell 24-10-2024 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 11543821)
you can hate genocide without bringing religion into it.

Completely and utterly this, Ali DEFINITELY knew that the T shirt supported victims of a genocide, and good for her!

BBUKAUSFAN 24-10-2024 02:11 AM

So you are all here for Israel bombing innocent people in Gaza?
Noted.

Ali the queen you are.

Mystic Mock 24-10-2024 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11543731)
It's ridiculous how Ryan wasn't given a chance, just because of a little thing he said in his VT. Anyone would think he confessed to punching kittens in the face & spitting on old aged pensioners....the level of disgust people had for him.

which ironically proved his point,and they don't even realise it :joker: :crazy:, we definitely live in a hyper sensitive society these days.

And as I've said before , previous housemates have said far worse extreme things in their VT...which today would reject them from even getting picked as a housemate ,as they'd be lynched before they made it to the house entrance.

I 100% agree.

I liked Ryan, and what he said in his VT wasn't even that bad.:laugh:

Mystic Mock 24-10-2024 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11543785)
Makes her a supporter of racists :shrug:

I suppose that could be said if she was supporting Israel as well tbf.

At least she weren't wearing clothing with the Hamas flag on it.

Mystic Mock 24-10-2024 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 11543790)


:skull:

I despise censorship.

GoldHeart 24-10-2024 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11544047)
I know that Ali is a bit loopy politically imo.

But she has the right to express her views on the Show, I don't know who these people think they are trying to tell the Show to basically stop her from expressing her views.

We are in a country that's meant to allow freedom of speech, including speech that you don't like.

Exactly and I can't even stand Ali.

The Ryan spoon comment, just shows you're not allowed to say anything these days. I'll be honest ...I didn't even see her t-shirt as anything political/ controversial ,it just looked like a watermelon,I've seen a ton of watermelon design in clothing which are innocent enough. But the problem now is ...is wearing a watermelon now seen as some secret political statement? :rolleyes: .

In Ali's case she's known to do this ...as she will likely be very 'pro Palestine' , but maybe the outrage wouldn't have been the same if another housemate wore that same t-shirt.

BB producer's removing the episode from ITVX was OTT .

Mystic Mock 24-10-2024 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11544093)
Exactly and I can't even stand Ali.

The Ryan spoon comment, just shows you're not allowed to say anything these days. I'll be honest ...I didn't even see her t-shirt as anything political/ controversial ,it just looked like a watermelon,I've seen a ton of watermelon design in clothing which are innocent enough. But the problem now is ...is wearing a watermelon now seen as some secret political statement? :rolleyes: .

In Ali's case she's known to do this ...as she will likely be very 'pro Palestine' , but maybe the outrage wouldn't have been the same if another housemate wore that same t-shirt.

BB producer's removing the episode from ITVX was OTT .

I 100% agree with everything that you've said.

I also didn't know the Watermelon T-Shirt was a reference to the Israel versus Palestine conflict either.:laugh:

Ammi 24-10-2024 05:44 AM

…as he says, I don’t know how long this will stay up…(…or if the vid has been posted…)…but shows a clip of the unedited footage with Ali wearing the t shirt and then with the t shirt watermelon image blacked out…





…it does seem odd to take it off air to edit out, essentially censor when the whole concept is BigBrother …but then they do and have always censored content, haven’t they…

Ammi 24-10-2024 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11544093)
Exactly and I can't even stand Ali.

The Ryan spoon comment, just shows you're not allowed to say anything these days. I'll be honest ...I didn't even see her t-shirt as anything political/ controversial ,it just looked like a watermelon,I've seen a ton of watermelon design in clothing which are innocent enough. But the problem now is ...is wearing a watermelon now seen as some secret political statement? :rolleyes: .

In Ali's case she's known to do this ...as she will likely be very 'pro Palestine' , but maybe the outrage wouldn't have been the same if another housemate wore that same t-shirt.

BB producer's removing the episode from ITVX was OTT .


…tbf, though …it isn’t a ‘secret’ political statement even though many of us might not have been aware of it…Im not commenting on her own views with regard to the subject …only that if I start to type in ‘watermelon t shirt…’…the search immediately connects Palestine …

GoldHeart 24-10-2024 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11544191)
…as he says, I don’t know how long this will stay up…(…or if the vid has been posted…)…but shows a clip of the unedited footage with Ali wearing the t shirt and then with the t shirt watermelon image blacked out…





…it does seem odd to take it off air to edit out, essentially censor when the whole concept is BigBrother …but then they do and have always censored content, haven’t they…


It's just really bizarre how a watermelon t-shirt can cause this much controversy. I wonder if BB have secretly said anything to Ali , censoring it is a bit much.

Ammi 24-10-2024 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11544198)
It's just really bizarre how a watermelon t-shirt can cause this much controversy. I wonder if BB have secretly said anything to Ali , censoring it is a bit much.

…I’m just googling because I wasn’t aware of any political connection as I don’t think any or many of us would be…this is a wiki page that came up…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterm...%20territories.

GoldHeart 24-10-2024 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11544195)
…tbf, though …it isn’t a ‘secret’ political statement even though many of us might not have been aware of it…Im not commenting on her own views with regard to the subject …only that if I start to type in ‘watermelon t shirt…’…the search immediately connects Palestine …

I honestly did not know about the politics connotations / symbolism,as I've seen so many casual watermelon designs on everything & not just t-shirts,but kids stuff . It was something I never gave a thought to , It just passively went by me , like a SpongeBob squepants PJ
set or something.

GoldHeart 24-10-2024 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11544201)
…I’m just googling because I wasn’t aware of any political connection as I don’t think any or many of us would be…this is a wiki page that came up…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterm...%20territories.

Yeah I was just googling about it aswell, I've learnt something new . And I can see it in full details now.

Ammi 24-10-2024 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11544204)
I honestly did not know about the politics connotations / symbolism,as I've seen so many casual watermelon designs on everything & not just t-shirts,but kids stuff . It was something I never gave a thought to , It just passively went by me , like a SpongeBob squepants PJ
set or something.

…I guess for anyone who was aware of a connection with watermelon then they may be drawn to it in terms of the shape as well and realised immediately…but not so for anyone who wasn’t aware because all we would see is a watermelon on a t shirt which in itself has no political slant at all…it’s the shape that’s the indicator, isn’t it…

Niamh. 24-10-2024 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kate! (Post 11543792)
No it flipping well doesn't? She most likely just thought, in all innocence, that it was just a pretty t shirt. As I would if I saw it in a shop.



Fgs.

Nah, she's already said she wants to get into activism and it isn't the first t shirt with some sort of message like that on it.

Niamh. 24-10-2024 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 11543821)
It's not antisemitic though, it's just an item of clothing in support of Palestine, you can hate genocide without bringing religion into it.

Agree with this but also see why ITV felt like they had to censor it, I don't think its right to censor people but they probably don't want to look like they're promoting either side and cause up roar. Tbf though the fact that they are doing that probably helped promote the message more as I think for a lot of people the t shirt wouldn't even have registered ( me included) now we all know what it means [emoji23]

vesavius 24-10-2024 07:53 AM

I am just amazed at the range of performative protest tee shirts this woman has. She is the type of superficial Guardian reading dupe that changes her facebook profile every month to the current thing in order to signal to her chums what a great person she is.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvjnyfcH/raf-36...43f4786-u1.jpgimage upload software

Jessica. 24-10-2024 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11544388)
I am just amazed at the range of performative protest tee shirts this woman has. She is the type of superficial Guardian reading idiot that changes her facebook profile every month to the current thing in order to signal to her chums what a great person she is.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvjnyfcH/raf-36...43f4786-u1.jpgimage upload software

Her only other t-shirt with a message was supporting transgender people, I don't see how that makes her look performative. She wants to be on the correct side of history.

Nicky91 24-10-2024 08:10 AM

LOL

some people are so easily triggered

Cherie 24-10-2024 08:13 AM

I didn't think the issue was the melon itself but that it was done as a map of Israel which would signify Israel being wiped out, look if Jews found it anti semetic who are we to judge, if I saw something that as anti Irish I would imagine many people who are not Irish would not have an issue with it

Mystic Mock 24-10-2024 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11544430)
I didn't think the issue was the melon itself but that it was done as a map of Israel which would signify Israel being wiped out, look if Jews found it anti semetic who are we to judge, if I saw something that as anti Irish I would imagine many people who are not Irish would not have an issue with it

Controversially though (and I'm not just saying this to be nasty towards the Jewish) but every group/community it feels like is looking for any excuse to be offended by something these days.

This from Ali is pretty tame, especially compared to the Nazi & Hamas loving people that are in our society.

Beso 24-10-2024 08:20 AM

Shes just your typical virtual signalling lefty.

Ammi 24-10-2024 08:21 AM

…apparently this garnered controversy not long ago, I’m not sure if that was when the meaning became more known …/…I don’t follow social media or celebrity stuff so I wasn’t familiar with this when it gained media attention…


Cherie 24-10-2024 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11544439)
Controversially though (and I'm not just saying this to be nasty towards the Jewish) but every group/community it feels like is looking for any excuse to be offended by something these days.

This from Ali is pretty tame, especially compared to the Nazi & Hamas loving people that are in our society.

weelll I think if you are sporting a tshirt that promotes a whole nation being wiped out then Jews have a right to be offended dont you think? if it were the other way round and she was wearing a tshirt that promoted Palestine being wiped out dont you think they would have a case to be offended? Many Israelis do not support Netanyahu they dont deserve to be wiped out?


Thats like saying during the Iraq war which most Britons didnt agree with that the UK should have been wiped out ...no?

Ammi 24-10-2024 08:52 AM

…whatever someone’s beliefs that they hold, it’s something they hold in their mind and in their heart and not on their clothing…I mean the only statement that really makes is that rather than think of donating to something that they believe in, they’ll donate to a clothing manufacturer and does that manufacturers hold the same ethics as them also…?…anyway, I just in general don’t get the need to either buy or wear a political slogan t shirt because I suspect so many are made for profit and not for belief reasons…

Cherie 24-10-2024 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11544477)
…whatever someone’s beliefs that they hold, it’s something they hold in their mind and in their heart and not on their clothing…I mean the only statement that really makes is that rather than think of donating to something that they believe in, they’ll donate to a clothing manufacturer and does that manufacturers hold the same ethics as them also…?…anyway, I just in general don’t get the need to either buy or wear a political slogan t shirt because I suspect so many are made for profit and not for belief reasons…

I agree Ammi

although in my youth I had a T shirt that said

'For Fox Sake, Stop the Hunt'

which I was very proud of :laugh:

arista 24-10-2024 08:56 AM

Remove the T-Shirt
from the show.


Problem Solved

arista 24-10-2024 09:00 AM

[The fruit is linked with Palestinian activism
because their colours - red, black, white and green - match
the colours of the Palestinian flag.]

arista 24-10-2024 09:00 AM

Ali is a Sneak

Jessica. 24-10-2024 09:00 AM

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

Ammi 24-10-2024 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11544479)
I agree Ammi

although in my youth I had a T shirt that said

'For Fox Sake, Stop the Hunt'

which I was very proud of :laugh:

…and did it stop the hunt…?…I expect it did…:laugh:…

Cherie 24-10-2024 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11544486)
…and did it stop the hunt…?…I expect it did…:laugh:…

in its tracks :laugh:

arista 24-10-2024 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 11544485)
I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.


Loads support Palestine,


Ali took that T-Shirt in
knowing full well it is a Political
and illegal.

vesavius 24-10-2024 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 11544485)
I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

Maybe it's the chants of "from the river to the sea" at the protests, among other things?

Look, no one is saying all pro Palestine people are saying it, but let's not pretend that none are.

arista 24-10-2024 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 11543445)
Me too, it looks tasty


It is
but also the colors of the Enemy's Flag.

Jessica. 24-10-2024 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11544494)
Maybe it's the chants of "from the ocean to the sea" at the protests, among other things?

Look, no one is saying all pro Palestine people are saying it, but let's not pretend that none are.

Palestine being free doesn't mean Israelis won't be, it's always been a place where many different peoples coexisted and it should be again.


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