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Niamh. 09-12-2024 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 11587396)
Just finished this..idk what to think as it seemed biased which I guess all shows are. Now rewatching the CBS one which may have been biased the opposite way!

Yeah I think the CBS one focused mainly on the Burke theory from what I've read

Ammi 09-12-2024 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 11587396)
Just finished this..idk what to think as it seemed biased which I guess all shows are. Now rewatching the CBS one which may have been biased the opposite way!

…same as you really, Vicky…
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…and aghhhhhhhh, it being revealed so close to the end that the DNA might have been pointless evidence anyway/might have been in some way contaminated etc….
… but really, I don’t know what to think …
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…and I didn’t understand how they were still speculating that her brother had hit over the head with the torchlight for taking some of his cereal and accidentally killed her… when it was already established that she was alive when the paint brush garrotte was used…John Mark Karr is still the most likely suspect, I feel…if the DNA wasn’t accurate and his could have matched…because I don’t know how he would have known some details if he didn’t kill her…

Ammi 10-12-2024 01:38 PM

…one thing that I forgot to say…
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…the ransom note and the ransom itself are surely very significant in leaning toward the killer to be someone who was very well known to the Ramsey’s…as in a relative or very close friend…?…$118,000 was the exact sum of John Ramsey’s Christmas bonus and an ‘irregular amount’ for a ransom demand…so that has to surely have significance in someone who knew that’s what the Christmas bonus was…it’s a very personal thing to tell someone also…

Niamh. 10-12-2024 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pigeon Lady (Post 11587645)
…one thing that I forgot to say…
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…the ransom note and the ransom itself are surely very significant in leaning toward the killer to be someone who was very well known to the Ramsey’s…as in a relative or very close friend…?…$118,000 was the exact sum of John Ramsey’s Christmas bonus and an ‘irregular amount’ for a ransom demand…so that has to surely have significance in someone who knew that’s what the Christmas bonus was…it’s a very personal thing to tell someone also…

Yes or.....

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If it was a paedophile intruder who went into the house while they were out that day and waited until they came home that evening they could have maybe seen some paper work, statement or something in the house showing that, maybe in Johns office? I presume he had an office in that massive house

Vanessa 10-12-2024 02:08 PM

Presumably
Spoiler:

the killer got in from the basement. One of the windows was open

Niamh. 10-12-2024 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Santa's NaughtiNess (Post 11587658)
Presumably
Spoiler:

the killer got in from the basement. One of the windows was open

Spoiler:

There seems to be a lot of conflicting "evidence" on that basement window. Some people claim it was proved impossible for someone to have been able to get in and out of that window however in the Netflix show it clearly shows Detective Smit easily climbing in and out that way (and he wasn't a young man) then people say that dust around the area proves it was staged but then others say there was a muddy footprint proving it was genuinely used. I was reading up on more suspects actually and there was one guy who I believe had some sort of ongoing dispute with the ramseys over property and they had matched his footprint with one found in the basement, he later committed suicide which was odd. This guy here :

Michael Helgoth
An electrician in the area, Helgoth owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots that appeared to match a print left at the crime scene. He also owned a stun gun and detectives determined that JonBenét’s broken body showed marks from a similar device.

Helgoth also had a potential motive: he was embroiled in a property dispute with the Ramseys at the time. A private investigator hired by the Ramseys seemed to imply that authorities should focus on Helgoth.

The mystery deepened in 1997, when authorities said that they were closing in on a suspect. Two days later, Helgoth committed suicide, leading many to believe that he killed himself because charges were imminent.

But authorities told The Post that Helgoth was never a serious suspect, and his DNA did not match any that was collected at the murder scene.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/08/us-new...-investigated/

Ammi 10-12-2024 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 11587647)
Yes or.....

Spoiler:

If it was a paedophile intruder who went into the house while they were out that day and waited until they came home that evening they could have maybe seen some paper work, statement or something in the house showing that, maybe in Johns office? I presume he had an office in that massive house

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…yeah that’s true, the killer could have seen some paperwork…but I still feel bugged by the ransom note…I mean, it was a huge long note to write with a lot of detail…like …if you go to the police, she’ll be beheaded or whatever the wording was…and yet her body was left right there and could have been found in moments of a pointless ransom note being left…and yeah, exactly for the amount of the Christmas bonus…if it was an ‘attempted kidnap’ that went wrong, which I don’t feel is very believable with what he did to JonBenet…then he would surely have just stun gunned her and took her, taking moments to be in and out and on the way to get his ransom demand, possibly….then ransom note just doesn’t fit, does it…

Ammi 10-12-2024 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Santa's NaughtiNess (Post 11587658)
Presumably
Spoiler:

the killer got in from the basement. One of the windows was open

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…one of the windows was broken, I think…that was something that had been done previously and not repaired…

Ammi 10-12-2024 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 11587663)
Spoiler:

There seems to be a lot of conflicting "evidence" on that basement window. Some people claim it was proved impossible for someone to have been able to get in and out of that window however in the Netflix show it clearly shows Detective Smit easily climbing in and out that way (and he wasn't a young man) then people say that dust around the area proves it was staged but then others say there was a muddy footprint proving it was genuinely used. I was reading up on more suspects actually and there was one guy who I believe had some sort of ongoing dispute with the ramseys over property and they had matched his footprint with one found in the basement, he later committed suicide which was odd. This guy here :

Michael Helgoth
An electrician in the area, Helgoth owned a pair of Hi-Tec boots that appeared to match a print left at the crime scene. He also owned a stun gun and detectives determined that JonBenét’s broken body showed marks from a similar device.

Helgoth also had a potential motive: he was embroiled in a property dispute with the Ramseys at the time. A private investigator hired by the Ramseys seemed to imply that authorities should focus on Helgoth.

The mystery deepened in 1997, when authorities said that they were closing in on a suspect. Two days later, Helgoth committed suicide, leading many to believe that he killed himself because charges were imminent.

But authorities told The Post that Helgoth was never a serious suspect, and his DNA did not match any that was collected at the murder scene.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/08/us-new...-investigated/


Spoiler:

…any DNA evidence being ruled out seems to be very unreliable ruling out, doesn’t it…


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