Which is why the government bringing a right to try scheme is a very much needed upgrade

The right to try scheme will require backing from employers, this is where it starts to unravel and fail cause I doubt many employers will back anything labour does after the last budgets raid on employers.


Unless of course they can offer them a monetary incentive from all the savings they will be making...


Drip
Drip
Drip...like a wet sponge

who is going to give her a job? its hard enough for healthy people to find work, and with the employer NI increasing next month, employers are shedding staff 10,000 alone from NHS England, and you think they are going to take someone on, train them up with a view that in 6 months they might decide they are unfit for the role....please open your eyes ...anyone who tries a job will then be required to look for work .if they leave the job they 'tried' ...that is what is going to happen

This Labour government, and every government that's come before despise the working class, they despise the sick and infirm, they despise the homeless and downtrodden and they have utter contempt for poor pensioners. They are happy to continue the great replacement, bringing in other cultures and planting them in communities where those who can afford to leave, will leave. I hope they don't last the full term for the sake of the country.

To be replaced by who? Reform? Even if you believe in their "policies", it's a gaggle of beer sozzled old pub rats posing as career politicians; they have absolutely no idea what they're doing, and that would be evident for YEARS if they got in. The alternative would be them being stacked with defecting MP's from Tories and Labour in which case, same-old-same-old, what's the actual difference?

Blah blah...

it's a gaggle of beer sozzled old pub rats


Proper working class...


But yeah, reform.. waste of time and resources, and not for me.

Im all for getting people into work.
As long as the genuine people who need help don't lose it.
Remember life can change in in instant, anyone could find themselves needed help.

I say let them have a go. I can't remember the last time Reform was in charge. Has that ever happened?

I have kidney disease and one day will need dialysis.
But I have no intention of stopping work. I can change to part time if I can't cope with full time or change my hours/shift to suit.

Yes Vanessa
you are our great tibb
hard worker.

They didn't exist before 2021, so no. It isn't a real party. But with the way things are going, they probably will get to "have a go". Spoiler: it will be a complete disaster.

I suppose this is an expected response if you have no actual thoughts beyond reactionary whinging.

Oh how I hope not.
I'd rather have pre Theresa May Cons back than narcissistic Farage and his more like from the 1930s divisively destructive gang.
So despite my now ever growing dismay at what the current Labour government is doing at this present time anyhow.
I'll wait to see what is the situation in 3 to 4 years time.
Little of the shambolic mess left by the last government could ever have been turned around in only months

I hope Reform NEVER EVER get into power and particularly never get their hands on the NHS either.
With their ideas on that.
The only mantra constantly spouted out from Farage's Reform is that those of other Countries and cultures are the biggest reason for the UK's woes

Not the fact that capitalist governance was in place right up to WW2
Then in place for nearly 50 of the 80 years almost since the end of the war.
With a 13 year unbroken run in the 50s/60s.
Then an 18 year run from 1979 to 1997.

Then again from 2010 to 2024.
Yet look at the chaos that's been left.

The very last solution to that should be to turn to an even harder line of capitalism from Farage and his now possibly even more PREJUDICIAL (UKIP MK3) Reform lot.
Who only seem to want to create and build up suspicion, distrust and even hate against people of other Countries and cultures.

politics is evolving. People will look back at the labour government and will say, this isn't for me. They will likely look at every political party and think the same. Musk is going to influence the next election by throwing cash at his preferred candidate. It wouldn't surprise me if Farage is thrown to the wolves and a new face/party pops up

It's the targeting pensioners and disabled that gets my back up. While they spend so much money on wars and illegal immigrants.
The legal immigrants in this country all work hard. I've seen it in my workplace. They're all very hard working and I always admire someone who makes their own money.

Unfortunately until an Asylum Seeker is given settled status they can't work and the government seem very happy not to get on with assessments and keep them holed up in hotels year in year out, massive backhanders from hotel chains are the issue I think, its not in their interest to lose the golden calf

But that's where a lot of money is going. Why do they have to stay in the best hotels and get everything for free? While we struggle :fist:

there would be uproar if asylum seekers/illegals were taking jobs from uk people. There would be uproar if they were taking our housing. If they arrive without documentation, which is very common because they dump it before they arrive, then we have to investigate and prove the country they came from in order to send them back and that can be a very long process. Those are the facts

Why do you think those jail sentences were so long?
It’s to keep people off the streets demanding change

People should be out on the streets because the money is going to everyone except the people it should go too

I dont think there would be uproar? Nobody complains about been treated by a doctor from India or Pakistan, or if your deliveroo driver is from Nigeria, or your food is cooked by an Irish person, if they can afford to rent or buy a property again where is the issue, the uproar only happens if they jump the social housing wait list... Labour said they were going to stop using hotels, they have been in government long enough now to have come up with an alternative plan for accommodation, during covid field hospitals were built over night literally.... get them out of hotels and stop lining the pockets of hoteliers

On the one hand, it would be sensible for there to be purpose-built temporary accommodation and it would ultimately be cheaper. In practice it's difficult to create something like that and not inadvertently create a concentration camp.

In my home town in Ireland they built units for Ukranians, student accommodation is not referred to as concentration camps, Army barracks, there are plenty examples of accommodation that could be used as a template, if they did that of course they wouldn't be helping out their mates and who is going to use their hotels once the asylum seekers leave...

I mean the first bit on bold says it all really - custom-built units for Ukrainian asylum seekers, but it isn't even being looked at for "other" asylum seekers. The difference in attitude towards refugees from war-torn Eastern Europe vs war-torn Middle East or Africa is certainly stark, but another discussion entirely, I suppose.

2nd B.I.B - you have a point there - the economy is trash, costs are rising and in most areas demand is decreasing. There are a fair number that probably need the govt. cash to stay viable at all... they won't become active hotels, they'll be sold and converted to apartments with ridiculous rent rates or torn down :shrug:. Which has nothing to do with immigration, no matter how hard Reform-types would like to blame absolutely everything on that.

There are plenty of disused army camps but they're not good enough for the illegals. They're good enough for our troops, but not illegal migrants. We're like second class citizens in our own country. Everyone who stands on the side of the road with "migrants welcome here" placards should be forced to house at least two.

Yes. Why do they have to stay at the best hotels and have everything handed to them? No wonder they don't want to work even if their application is accepted.

And all the time our homeless are ignored by politicians and the woke left. It encourages these people to come here, luxury accommodation, free phone, clothes, medical and dental, trips out to the places like Old Trafford, music events and the cricket. Meanwhile a homeless man I spoke to in Peterborough was denied help by Peterborough Council, who've housed thousands of immigrants in social housing in front of locals, because they said he had no ties to the area. He was born in Peterborough, but apparently that wasn't enough of a tie, so he sleeps in shop doorways.

There's always social housing for illegal immigrants, but none for the British.
It's outrageous!

The misinformation in this thread is honestly staggering. I'm not even going to bother.

Your second paragraph is extremely strong
It's really worrying however that immigration is lumped into one big bag of the thing to blame for the UKs problems.

Immaterial of the make up of immigration.

Blame all others from other Countries and cultures for the problems we have.
Stop them coming say Reform.
Honestly more and more, the more like MANTRA now spouted from the heavily divisive Reform is like something of the rhetoric from the depressing 1930s.

A lot needs to be done as to, even if it's possible, to get the UK really moving again.
Admittedly many issues needs to be addressed.

Frankly ( just my opinion), the heartless more cold and prejudicial firing out at all as to immigration that THEY should be seen as the biggest issue and therefore seen as suspect, distrusted and acted against.
I find both sad and depressing.
I've no time at all for the divisive Reform lot at all with their endless blaming of immigration at every opportunity on near every negative issues in the UK topic.

In the end any problem is turned into by Reform, to only lump all together and blame immigration.
It's like a kind of programming.
In my view.
Controversial my view may very well be but there it is anyhow.

I think if you're here seeking asylum and you don't have a valid reason you should be sent back.
Too many come here only for the benefits.

Yes, good move
that's the way to go.

Sorry Joey, but if the black hole can be fixed off the backs of pensioners and the disabled I think maybe the Asylum seekers should shoulder some of the burden too? No point shouldering the rich or the non doms with such trivialites ....the country is actually ****ed when we are asking the vulnerable to shoulder the debt crisis and not address the elephant in the room, putting Asylum Seekers up in hotels costs 5.6 million per day, 2 billion a year...not chump change by any stretch, they need to house them elsewhere.....Labour did come into power on a ticket of no longer using hotels? am I wrong , I dont think its right to immediately head to Reform either, I dont vote Reform and dont intend to, infact I spoiled my last vote because I am sick and tired of being called this and that for wanting a quality of life for me and my kids, apparently that is not allowed

Valid Points,
Labour is not changing that.

the rules for accepting asylum seekers are defined in stone by international law. The UK doesn't make the rules

No but there is no law that says they have to be put up in hotels?

Home Office estimates in February found there were “more than 45,500 asylum seekers in hotels costing the UK taxpayer £5.6 million a day”, approximately £2 billion a year.

Build some accommodation, Labour want to build build build they can start with this

I don't think its a stretch to say young people are seeing how their grandparents are being treated after years of work, no wonder they dont want to start doing a 9 to 5, not sure I would either if I were in their shoes

i think they could probably home the lot of them in Gary Lineker's house

... and will be if they haven't a valid reason to be here.
HOW do you KNOW that until they're processed however and you have ALL the information.

How though is that the asylum seekers fault that the processing has been left over endless years, to take so long now to do so.

Reform blame that mainly on those from other Countries and cultures coming here.
Your last line I can't answer, I haven't got the private or personal information of all those in the immigration process that says they only come here for the benefits.
Maybe you have more information that conclusively shows that to be the case
I haven't so it's not a statement I'd make or without concrete evidence accept especially from the likes of Farage and his Reform divisive lot.

Now thankfully at least you come up with reasoned and strong points which is not surprising as you generally do make very valid points.

I am totally dismayed with the Labour government at present and frankly I wish as to all Parties, that they'd just put income tax up.
I think the Country would more, although begrudgingly, accept that, than the winter fuel allowance wrong action.
Plus on the welfare issue, the making of qualifying for PIP much harder.

Members of Labour and Labour MPs are not happy at all with the changes to PIP eligibility.
So who knows if that may yet get changed.

Indeed, you are right, Labour did intend to end the Hotels being used, which may or may not come about but it was never going to happen in only months.
However I think Labour is in as much difficulty on that one as the Cons found themselves too.
I personally have never believed there was a quick fix.

I'm not going to do what Reform does, and virtually only scapegoat those Human beings coming from other countries and of other cultures too.
They're not just numbers but are human beings too.

Also, to end, I'm not married or have children but I know what I'd like to see hopefully and eventually for members of my much younger family and for their futures.
You have children and you have every right to be angry at the failing across the board of the last decades as to the Country and as to your hopes for your family too.
That's is understandable and wholly commendable.

I just don't blame the human beings from other Countries and of other cultures.
I blame the system and I too would hold Labour responsible for not acting more quickly.

I was pleased to read your segment on Reform.
Speaking for myself, I have no time for Farage and Reform.
I don't and never have believed in my life thus far, that blaming others coming here for the failings of this Country and creating division against them is fair at all.

I'll certainly however take on board other things you've said there in your response to me as well.
I am far from happy with the Labour government so far.
In fact I don't think I've ever been so disillusioned with politics as I am now.
However there's no answer in the Reform Party in my own view, other than becoming prejudiced and being more divisive and intolerant towards other human beings who are seen by the Reform lot as not being desirables for the UK.
I think that's a horrible rhetoric to support, just speaking for myself obviously.

Thank you for your response Cherie.

It is sad to see someone as invested as yourself become disillusioned Joey, I really dont understand why the UK has no safe and legal ways for asylum seekers to come here, smashing the gangs is all very well, but if there are no legal routes then what is the point....my only conclusion is that there is too much money to be made in the current system and that is the only reason it continues