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Livia 09-04-2025 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623377)
Well, I will respect a person's wishes if I respect and like them no matter what I personally think, but as soon as I am being 'required' to do a thing by someone I don't think much of I tend to say no :P

But, yeah.. Current 'progressive' ideological thinking is full of contradictions and nonsense.

Can't disagree with that.

Crimson Dynamo 09-04-2025 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623377)
Well, I will respect a person's wishes if I respect and like them no matter what I personally think, but as soon as I am being 'required' to do a thing by someone I don't think much of I tend to say no :P

But, yeah.. Current 'progressive' ideological thinking is full of contradictions and nonsense.

Perfectly within your rights to say I recognise your request and I politely decline

BB saying that last night was ridiculous

OnTheRight 09-04-2025 12:25 PM

I think it's Danny who has the problem.

vesavius 09-04-2025 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo (Post 11623386)
Perfectly within your rights to say I recognise your request and I politely decline

BB saying that last night was ridiculous

'She' when he is drag, 'he' when he isn't...

We are supposed to treat his drag persona as a person with a separate gender? What type of insanity even is that?

OnTheRight 09-04-2025 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623399)
'She' when he is drag, 'he' when he isn't...

We are supposed to treat his drag persona as a person with a separate gender? What type of insanity even is that?

So if I put a frock on people have to address me as a she? Stop the world......

Ammi 09-04-2025 12:41 PM

…I don’t think that anyone is required to do anything with regards to drag queens…I recall in Courtney Act’s season, the question was asked directly to them from housemates…and they said that the general thing was ‘she’ as Courtney Act and ‘he’ as Shane …and that’s something that drag queens to get asked specifically but there is no requirement…

Zizu 09-04-2025 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623359)
Honestly, I don't like Danny much... I don't know him at all because I generally don't enjoy drag much... But his energy is nasty.

But I am not a fan of his kind of arch camp bitch queen type persona, to be fair., and I hate all this 'I am here to educate people'... As if people that disagree with him are just doing so because they are 'ignorant'.

But even with that in mind... Daley did nuthin wrong.


Perfect , couldn’t have worded any better using a dictionary and a thesaurus !

Niamh. 09-04-2025 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11623412)
…I don’t think that anyone is required to do anything with regards to drag queens…I recall in Courtney Act’s season, the question was asked directly to them from housemates…and they said that the general thing was ‘she’ as Courtney Act and ‘he’ as Shane …and that’s something that drag queens to get asked specifically but there is no requirement…

Yeah, I was always under the impression that Drag Queens refer to themselves as "she" while in drag as more a part of the act and for fun/to be in character kind of a thing? I don't think these men (or most of them anyway) would care if someone still said he though?

Cherie 09-04-2025 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11623432)
Yeah, I was always under the impression that Drag Queens refer to themselves as "she" while in drag as more a part of the act and for fun/to be in character kind of a thing? I don't think these men (or most of them anyway) would care if someone still said he though?

I wouldn't have thought so as they are playing a part, they are still a He at the end of the day

Ammi 09-04-2025 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11623432)
Yeah, I was always under the impression that Drag Queens refer to themselves as "she" while in drag as more a part of the act and for fun/to be in character kind of a thing? I don't think these men (or most of them anyway) would care if someone still said he though?

…no, I don’t think that any would care on the whole…(…there will always be some that do, I guess…)…but I recall that I would always refer to Dame Edna as she when she was Dame Edna for instance…and Lily Savage had always been a she to me as well but equally a he as Paul O’Grady…that’s always just felt natural…in mainstream TV there are obviously more drag queens now because of Ru Paul’s show and I often seen that question put as to how to refer to them…it was interesting to see Courtney Act/Shane talk about it back in the day…

Niamh. 09-04-2025 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11623445)
…no, I don’t think that any would care on the whole…(…there will always be some that do, I guess…)…but I recall that I would always refer to Dame Edna as she when she was Dame Edna for instance…and Lily Savage had always been a she to me as well but equally a he as Paul O’Grady…that’s always just felt natural…in mainstream TV there are obviously more drag queens now because of Ru Paul’s show and I often seen that question put as to how to refer to them…it was interesting to see Courtney Act/Shane talk about it back in the day…

Yeah exactly, it's a character so you can respond to the character, I reckon that's probably what Big Brother meant too when answering Mickeys question

Glenn. 09-04-2025 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11623376)
But we're still required to refer to him as "she".

No one is requiring you to refer to him as a she. Who said you was?

Glenn. 09-04-2025 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11623447)
Yeah exactly, it's a character so you can respond to the character, I reckon that's probably what Big Brother meant too when answering Mickeys question

It’s common sense that this is what was meant.

People are just very very quick to be outraged and triggered.

vesavius 09-04-2025 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623482)
It’s common sense that this is what was meant.

You are projecting what you want to be happening, that's all. All we saw was BB saying that the drag persona should be referred to as a she, while Danny out of drag should be referred to as a he.

Why?

It's just a stage act. I have no more inclination to pretend that it's real than I would have to pretend Spit the Dog was a real dog while Bob Carolgees was on stage.

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623482)
People are just very very quick to be outraged and triggered.


Also, it's funny to me that the progressive left created the term and concept of 'triggers' and popularised it in the interests of safety and consideration now use it as a way to gaslight and belittle those that disagree with them. Just an observation.

Glenn. 09-04-2025 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623496)
You are projecting what you want to be happening, that's all. All we saw was BB saying that the drag persona should be referred to as a she, while Danny out of drag should be referred to as a he.

Why?

It's just a stage act. I have no more inclination to pretend that it's real than I would have to pretend Spit the Dog was a real dog while Bob Carolgees was on stage.




Also, it's funny to me that the progressive left created the term and concept of 'triggers' and popularised it in the interests of safety and consideration now use it as a way to gaslight and belittle those that disagree with them. Just an observation.


No one is forcing you too and that’s your problem. You think they are.

Drag Queens are characters.

vesavius 09-04-2025 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623497)
No one is forcing you too and that’s your problem. You think they are.

Drag Queens are characters.

Yes, it's just a character. But why did BB make the distinction? Danny is a man, and uses 'he' as a pronoun.

In or out of character, using 'he' is fine and acceptable. Do you agree?

As I say, what actually happened would be the same as BB suggesting that people treat Spit the Dog like a real dog while Carolgees was operating him. We would all think that was really odd, right?

Glenn. 09-04-2025 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623501)
Yes, it's just a character. But why did BB make the distinction? Danny is a man, and uses 'he' as a pronoun.

In or out of character, using 'he' is fine and acceptable. Do you agree?

As I say, what actually happened would be the same as BB suggesting that people treat Spit the Dog like a real dog while Carolgees was operating him. We would all think that was really odd, right?

For years when I was a child I thought Lily Savage was a woman. It’s just a character. It’s not the big deal you’re making out to be. Refer to the character as a she or not. No body apart from you really cares

vesavius 09-04-2025 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623504)
For years when I was a child I thought Lily Savage was a woman. It’s just a character. It’s not the big deal you’re making out to be. Refer to the character as a she or not. No body apart from you really cares

You aren't actually answering my questions. I am interested in your replies to them.

Niamh. 09-04-2025 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623501)
Yes, it's just a character. But why did BB make the distinction? Danny is a man, and uses 'he' as a pronoun.

In or out of character, using 'he' is fine and acceptable. Do you agree?

As I say, what actually happened would be the same as BB suggesting that people treat Spit the Dog like a real dog while Carolgees was operating him. We would all think that was really odd, right?

tbf though if someone asked how to refer to one of the HMs dressed as a dog for a task lets say, BB would probably say to call them a dog :shrug:

vesavius 09-04-2025 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11623507)
tbf though if someone asked how to refer to one of the HMs dressed as a dog for a task lets say, BB would probably say to call them a dog :shrug:

As a task, yes.

Glenn. 09-04-2025 02:44 PM

I think a lot of people foolishly or ignorantly blur the lines between drag and trans.

You have idiot Americans who think drag show readings for children are worse than them having holes shot into them while they’re at school.
Comments on Danny’s stuff on Facebook are a hoot. Literal morons that think he’s trans.

Niamh. 09-04-2025 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623510)
As a task, yes.

Regardless, I don't think it was an order or a rule as such, I think that BB was just giving Mickey an answer as he asked and a lot of people would say she when a drag queen is in character. Of course that's my interpretation of the conversation but I think it's logical since in the L&L show everyone so far (including friends of his) have referred to Danny as "he" even when talking about him on launch night when he was in Drag :shrug:

vesavius 09-04-2025 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623512)
I think a lot of people foolishly or ignorantly blur the lines between drag and trans.

As I said earlier in the thread, "Look, the bottom line is that drag is not the same as trans. People conflate the two constantly. You can think, for example, that biological men should be kept out of women's sports and still enjoy a good drag show."

So, ofc I agree.

But it disappoints me that you refuse to answer my fair questions to you.

(this is where you say, "I haven't answered them because they are stupid", according to the internet argument playbook lol)

Mitchell 09-04-2025 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623512)
I think a lot of people foolishly or ignorantly blur the lines between drag and trans.

You have idiot Americans who think drag show readings for children are worse than them having holes shot into them while they’re at school.
Comments on Danny’s stuff on Facebook are a hoot. Literal morons that think he’s trans.

:clap1::clap1:

Barry. 09-04-2025 02:53 PM

It’s simple, most drug ueens are called she in drag. Le Fil (a drag queen too) likes to be called he in drag. It’s just what some drag queens like

Swan 09-04-2025 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623496)
Also, it's funny to me that the progressive left created the term and concept of 'triggers' and popularised it in the interests of safety and consideration now use it as a way to gaslight and belittle those that disagree with them. Just an observation.

Sadly ironic, yeah.

Glenn. 09-04-2025 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623505)
You aren't actually answering my questions. I am interested in your replies to them.

What question do you want me to answer?

About the dog?

It’s an illusion that most people go along with for the sake of keeping the character alive. No one is forcing you to believe the dog is real.

It’s like taking a child to Disney World full of characters. You know they’re not real but appreciate the character and the art.

vesavius 09-04-2025 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623595)
What question do you want me to answer?

About the dog?

It’s an illusion that most people go along with for the sake of keeping the character alive. No one is forcing you to believe the dog is real.

It’s like taking a child to Disney World full of characters. You know they’re not real but appreciate the character and the art.

OK, I give up. You clearly are not gonna answer in good faith.

I'll bow out now and let you get on with your day.

Glenn. 09-04-2025 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623596)
OK, I give up. You clearly are not gonna answer in good faith.

I'll bow out now and let you get on with your day.

I answered your question. What part of my answer wasn’t satisfactory?
Have a good evening mate.

AnnieK 09-04-2025 04:04 PM

I figure it's like this, if you are a kid and you know a teacher and you happen to go to their school, you will probably call them their first name when they are out of school but Sir / Miss in school. All part of the job, same with drag queen's. The "she" part is just part of the job :shrug:

Crimson Dynamo 09-04-2025 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11623609)
I figure it's like this, if you are a kid and you know a teacher and you happen to go to their school, you will probably call them their first name when they are out of school but Sir / Miss in school. All part of the job, same with drag queen's. The "she" part is just part of the job :shrug:

Have you met Phil Gilbert? 😅

Ammi 09-04-2025 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 11623609)
I figure it's like this, if you are a kid and you know a teacher and you happen to go to their school, you will probably call them their first name when they are out of school but Sir / Miss in school. All part of the job, same with drag queen's. The "she" part is just part of the job :shrug:

…I think that Ru Paul has said …you can call me he/you can call me she…some drag queens prefer to be referred as she when they’re in character because they’re staying completely within that character while in drag…but not all drag queens have a preference, I don’t think…I guess that a ‘rule of thumb’ if someone is asking because they’re staying completely want to respect a drag queen’s preference is as BB said but it’s not a requirement…it’s much just a guidance, thing if you like…

Beso 09-04-2025 04:20 PM

A woman with as potty a mouth as Danny wouldn't be called she by me.

Glenn. 09-04-2025 04:28 PM

He’s quaking at that

Mystic Mock 10-04-2025 03:07 AM

We'll know more soon enough.

BB can't hide Daley's full opinion on Danny forever.

Mystic Mock 10-04-2025 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 11623399)
'She' when he is drag, 'he' when he isn't...

We are supposed to treat his drag persona as a person with a separate gender? What type of insanity even is that?

Yeah... BB didn't think that one through very well.:joker:

Mystic Mock 10-04-2025 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623482)
It’s common sense that this is what was meant.

People are just very very quick to be outraged and triggered.

Fair point.

Maru 10-04-2025 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11623513)
Regardless, I don't think it was an order or a rule as such, I think that BB was just giving Mickey an answer as he asked and a lot of people would say she when a drag queen is in character. Of course that's my interpretation of the conversation but I think it's logical since in the L&L show everyone so far (including friends of his) have referred to Danny as "he" even when talking about him on launch night when he was in Drag :shrug:

That's how I interpreted it also. They (BB) gracefully answered and weren't requiring or pressuring him to use any pronoun specifically. Mickey seemed legitimately confused is all... now if he uses "he" instead and they gave him a warning, then that would be very different.

My impression is that Danny would just like to be treated as a person at the end of the day.

Zizu 10-04-2025 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 11623482)

People are just very very quick to be outraged and triggered.

Yeah … JoJo definitely made the most of the opportunity

Niamh. 10-04-2025 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Maru (Post 11624125)
That's how I interpreted it also. They (BB) gracefully answered and weren't requiring or pressuring him to use any pronoun specifically. Mickey seemed legitimately confused is all... now if he uses "he" instead and they gave him a warning, then that would be very different.

My impression is that Danny would just like to be treated as a person at the end of the day.

Yes, i agree with all that


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