All very nice in theory.

Holland only works because the brothels are so close togehter. I haven't been to any but I do go to Amstredam quite regularly. Do I need to have been to all of them in order for you to believe its so? The Redlight area where prostitiution is legal in Amsterdam is a tiny area of the city. Do I need to produce a map inorder to prove this?

Max Hardcore is an example of a clever man who has used the lax law inorder for him to make money out of abuse. I believe he's the blueprint for the kind of person who is likely to own a brothel. His kind will certainly crawl out of the wood work under a legal system. At least with the laws that we have we can throw people in jail for abuse.

Legalising prostitution would on par with attempting to legalise drugs. There would be so much opposition from the moral majority that it would never happen. Do you agee or do I need to hunt for facts and figures to back up my believable theory. I note you dont back up your posts with figures. I'll do it when you do it.

But Max Hardcore was caught and charged, why don't you just admit it was a bad example?

Also, you say you visit amsterdam but there are brothels all over The Netherlands so that would make them spread out- no?

I'm not sure why I'd have to back any of this up. Look Max Hardcore up yourself and see that he has been caught (after all, it was you who mentioned him) and also the fact that prostitution is legal in the netherlands and there are plenty of brothels outside amsterdam- you aren't suggesting ALL the brothels in the country exist in one city are you?

As i recall I used Max Hardcore as an example of how the relaxing of the rules has bought explitative men like that out of the woodwork. Men who can use the law to get away with their abuse. I think I made my point pretty clear I dont see how you misunderstood it.

There are Brothels in Amsterrdam all within a one mile radius of one another. Where are the all the others? Give me the fact and figures that back up how successful this scheme is. For me the sucess of the scheme in Amsterdam not all over Holland is in part down to the close proximity of the brothels. If you disagree then give me the figures you insist I produce.

I disagree, these men exist already and are currently abusing women. You are right though in stating that it 'brings them out of the woodwork'. It does make them easier to spot...

Of course these men exist but, as I stated earlier, if prostitution is legal then they can hide behind the law to get away with their abuse. At least with the current system we can throw them in jail.

If they legalised prostitution and a man abused a woman by either physically assaulting her or doing something she didn't consent to, he would still be thrown in jail.

Are you sure of that? Why cant the man claim that by giving her money she implied consent? Thats the logistical nightmare I've been on about. One can claim that under the current system the same could happen, but with the legalisation of prostitution surely such cases would become more prevalent.

I see your point and I'm not sure which view to take. I think there are advantages for and against legalising prostitution and I believe the pros outweight the cons (bad joke, sorry).

It's a shame you can't debate in the same civil and intelligent way on the other thread... :conf:

Glad to see we agree. Its a can of worms.

I agree on some points but I also think there are advantages to legalisation. We can only speculate as to what the full effects of legalisation could be and how it'd work in the uk. However it's clear to see there would be some benefits ie. greater control and in some areas safety for women.

Perhaps some people may then decide to work the system, so I see you point that legalisation may make this easier for a specific type of abuse to occur. In other areas it could help to reduce it. Like I said, there are good and bad points to both arguments...

Absolutely. legalising prostitution is a great idea but only in theory.

But you can never be sure of that as it is not legal in the uk. Even I cannot be sure it is a good idea by citing the netherlands. The benefits could outweigh the negative aspects or vice versa, nobody knows for sure until they try it.

Its personal choice. End of story. Look down on them all you want , but if they want to open their legs in exchange for a client opening their wallets...well , its not murder or assault. If done right , its not harming anybody. Therefore , let them do with their own bodies what they bloody well please.

Again , personal choice.

I cant see much problem in legalising prostitution, it goes on anyway. As we type they will be shagging in some room with a bloke who has fifty quid spare or perhaps a touch more cash for some oral or other sexual fantasy. If it was legalised it would be a lot safer for the prostitute and her customer.

Its funny how sex is just wanking with no hands :joker: Thats what my best mate says, well basically he aint getting any at the mo :laugh:

Time for a Bill Hicks quote...

“Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?”

I agree.

If a chainsmoking alchy drugged upto the eyeballs walks up to a prostitute waving a bunch of twenty pound notes in front of her, he may give her too much money by mistake and fail to make his dick rise at the critical moment, throw up on the floor and fall fast asleep while prostitute makes a quick exit via the back door :tongue:

Im not sure was that an argument for or against a particular side or if it was just for cheap laughs. If it was for cheap laughs , well , you earned them :joker:.

I think Prostitution is disgustine,
but if people choose to live their lives as prostitutues then let them.
I think the whole idea of 'Selling your body' is horrible.
Personally, I wouldn't ever encourage prostitution.

It was for a cheap laugh :joker: I could get more blue, but just in case there are prostitutes looking in Id better put a lid on my gob, I dont want to offend such a lovely bunch of hot bitches

Its okay I dont mind...














[Yes , that was for cheap laughs too]

Another argument just came into my head. Porno. For those against prostitution , is there an exception for posing nude so some lads can have a wank to your pics? Isint that selling your body?

Dont you think that relates quiet closely to prostitution?

God!! did I say that, oh, whoops, but, um, ahh, too late Ive said it :joker: Anyway cant stop too long on this subject my wifes getting the whip and chains out and our bed has bars. Lucky I am a big bodybuilder with muscles like Arny. If I get left alone for any longer than 5 minutes Ill break away :tongue:

I am not against prostitution I would prefer to see it legalised and I am very sure that anyone participating will also have an affinity for frequenting sex shops and buying porn dvds/mags and sex toys. It is all part of the equasion, a weakness that many desperate men have, Hugh Grant being one of them. He just wasnt getting what he wanted at home :tongue:

Some consider prostitutes to be low life and imoral and dirty whatever.....And so and so on.

What is worse than a prostitute who gives out sex for money. In my book what is lower than prostitution are the one night stand merchants who do it like two dog that have just met in the street a complete stranger for nothing exept a drink and a pkt of crisps.

I bet a lot of those merchants probably look down on prostitution. They shouldn't.....As they are far worse.

On balance I think it would make sense to leglise it as long as it was properly controlled and monitored in order to weed out any abuse and girls being forced into the game. You can never get rid of abuse but I think making it legal would reduce the abuse considerably..

The bottom line is we may look down on others for what ever reason but in a free society of which our poltitions boast we are supposed to have then people should have a free choice of how they live there lives as long as their life style does not infringe others rights......

It is wrong and snobbish to claim either the girls or the men are dirty and bad. They are all simply human with human desires. A man or woman may get old but that does not mean their sex drive also gets old. To label any age group as dirty old men or women is just ignorant ageism.......All ages have a right to sexual instincts as unpalatable as it may seem to younger people sexual feeling do not alway diminish with age.

What is still needed in this control freak world is tolorence to the choices that people make instead of what is more often than not just a snobbish stand offish condemnation of people with sexual life styles different to their own.


Society has accepted the rights of different sexualities and agrees all should be repected to have and practice their different sexualities and yet the sexual tastes and appetites of people wanting to relieve there sexual feeling in the way they want is still looked down in in a typical British hypocrytical way.......

Amen.

I dont think prostatution should become legal.. i dont think its right but i certainly dont look down on them. Imagine how hard there life must be for anyone to go as low as prostatution? And quite frankly i pity anyone who actually takes plesure from a prostatute i think there sick. I feel so sorry for them children as younge as 9 are getting involved in prostation. I think the goverment should try to stop it and try to get anyone involved in prostatution back on their feet so they can start living a happy life. They must feel so insicure and frightened. x

Rubbish. One night stands are from two people who have just met and have a genuine interest in eachother. A prostitute just has sex with whoever because if they don't they won't get paid. People who have one night stands have a real job and yes they usually end up regretting it the next morning but at the time it seems like the right thing to do, and nobody is forcing anybody to have sex or feeling pressured into it for money.

you have made some very good points in that post; well done. I have to agree that prostitution is a disgusting way to make a living; many of the girls being run by pimps and not receiving much after the pimps take their large cut of their hard earned money for a job with many dangers.

imagine being a prostitute and standing on some street corner around midnight; wearing some tarty/sleazy clothing to attract a customer. suddenly a car pulls over towards you and the man winds the window down and you approach him; saying something like (fancy a good time mister?) he will reply (how much) then you say the price and if he agrees; in the car you get. anything can happen to a defenseless prostitute all alone with a strange man in a car in the middle of the night. many don't even get paid for their services; and some get beaten up or even killed; after meeting the wrong customer. also there are plenty of sexually transmitted diseases; (not to mention) aids & h.i.v. It's a risky business for the prostitute and something needs to be done to change that.

if prostitution was legalised; I would imagine that it would be (18) years or higher only. I understand that a (16) year old girl can legally have sex with anybody they choose at any legal age; whether the same age or much older; male or female (whatever takes her fancy like) but I still feel that (16) is still way too young for that kind of business. also you are still in your parents care until you are (18) and I'm sure most parents would be dead-set against it anyway. I know I certainly would if it was my daughter or even my neice.

the comment you made about a (9) year old standing on a street corner selling herself for money is really disgusting and damn illegal. you couldn't even call her jail-bait; as any potential customer could easily see she is under age.

the real reason girls turn to prostitution is because of three main reasons;
1. desperation for money
2. drugs
3. mixing with the wrong crowd/meeting a pimp being the worst.

just because she has a pimp; doesn't mean that she is any safer. most pimps don't look after their girls anyway; even though they say they will and the unfortunate victim believes him. drugs/money/wrong crowd; can be three good reasons for a girl to turn to prostitution. anything which can prevent those three things from occuring can certainly lessen the amount of prostitutes walking our streets and living in danger. legalising it could help; but like you say, we'd all feel better if they didn't have to do it in the first place.

You know alot about the subject Nodis :wink:

Thanks you made some veryyy good points there x

LOL Billy.

Re the one night stand thing. I have had one night stands where We have not known each others names in the morning. It was what it was. Sex. We both wanted some fun without the pressure of a relationship. We were safe so who were we hurting?

I have also had a one night stand that ended up in a 10 year relationship. That would not have happened if it was not for the one night stand.

Oooh, I'm getting very excited at the discovery of another Bill Hicks fan on the forum. There's always time for a Bill Hicks quote.:colour::colour:

I miss Bill:sad:

Regarding prostitution - yes, it should be legalised, to provide protection to the prostitutes. The recent trial of Steven Wright is a case in point.

Is that not precisely why it should be legalised - so that there could be some control over it? Obviously, it wouldn't stop illegal prostitution, but it might a step in the right direction.

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Then people that go to see the prostatues wont be worried atall.. they know that they cannot be prosicuted (sp.) so therefor it means they can take advantage of the girls even more. I dont see how allowing children as younge as 9 to be prostatues should be made legal. And besides its only legal for people over 16 to have sex anyway (not that they care) x

I didn't mean it should be legal for children to be prostitutes. I meant that legalising prostitution could actually help stop children being exploited in this way.

And sorry, but I don't see why a man should be prosecuted for sleeping with a prostitute.

They shouldnt but it still dosent mean that what they are doing is right ..? x

Why is it wrong?

I think it should stay illeagal purley because i dont think any women or man as men seem to be doing it more now, should degrade them selves and there bodies to it.

Just my thought!!!!!

People who have one night stands are infinitely worse than prostitutes as they have no value on themselves. Just like dirty dogs with no sense or morals. Animal behavour by humans at its worst...

I think some people forget that most of the girls are forced to do this, they don't do it on purpose. Some girls come from the east countries and thought they were supposed to learn dancing and then they finish in the street.
Some do because they have to pay University or stuff like this, it's all common now and it could be understandable.
So I think people should be more aware about the prostitutes instead of saying "Those sluts are discusting."