Sounding obsessive yourself Ha thats a laugh go have a look in the mirror Dog you are doing the same thing as we all are - You are obsessed with liking her we are obsessed with disliking her

Yep, it's called freedom of speech and opinions dog

What do you think that 'other' means ?? i hate to spell stuff out to people. not a man or a women.

Dog you soooooooo fancy Michelle

He does! his been hit with cupid's arrow

stoopids arrow more like :joker:

Hahaha:hugesmile:

Look I'm not obsessed with Michelle in any way; I just like her just the same as I like Emma and Shell.

I am just tired of seeing posters on the internet slagging off women for doing exactly the same as the men do. That was the meaning of my original post and I posted it because I hate discrimination of any kind.

I'm not saying that people are not entitled to there opinions because I believe in freedom of speech, but when there opinions descend into sexism and verbal abuse and appear to be provoked by petty jealousy, then the people with the opinions make them selves look very foolish indeed.

I'm not a Michelle fan, but I do know what you mean by this DOG, it's something prevalent throughout our whole society where men are somehow allowed to be sexual predators and are looked up to by their mates if they are, whereas women aren't supposed to act like this, we're supposed to be all coy and girly and wait for men to chase us.

This being said, I still think Michelle is showing herself up as a complete slapper in the way she is acting, but you are right that Stu is no innocent in this, he's being a typical young guy and enjoying something offered to him on a plate. Though I think he is becoming more uncomfortable about this but hasn't workeed out how to extricate himself from the situation yet.

One thing I will say is that I think that if one of the lads was being as openly predatory around the girls they would still be getting a slagging on on the forums. Yes, it is more acceptable in society and there would be some likeminded adolescents who would be shouting at the tv telling him to 'go for it', but I think most people would be calling him a slimy creep and a lech and it would be doing him no favours either.

DOG. Well done for standing your ground. I find it strange that it is ok to slang Mischelle off because of her "Sexuality" while it remains bang out of order to slang off Gay's Lesbiens,Transexuals etc.

Slang any of them off and the political correctness brigade will come down on you like a ton of bricks and rightly so.
But it all seem justified because Mischelle is a highly sexed individual she has to be branded a slag or slapper and so on.

She has her right to her own type of sexuality as much as the others do. Without being labelled as something nasty and different. Just like it was years ago with gays.....

Anyone who really believes in a "FAIR AND HONEST" society would not sit themselves on a pearch and look down at others whoe's sexual nature is different to others......

Yes. it's ok to dislike anyone you wish and say so. I don't think it's ok to sit in judgment based on there sexual being.
That's my oppinion take it or leave it I know you will.

Those trying to take the micky out of DOG are only proving that they cannot hold an intellectual debate.....:mad::mad::devil:

All I can say about Michelle is that she has no respect for herself or her family. What must they be thinking of her. Sorry, but just what will that girl do to win.

Hi Bananarama,

I am more than capable of holding an intellectual debate but quite frankly I dont want to. This is what I do for fun, I come online chat with my pals and generally have a laugh. After all in the job I do the last thing I want to do is to come here and become all serious. No I stil do not agree that we have been sexist about Michelle but that is something that we will have to agree to disagree on.

Dog tried to provoke something from the minute he typed his first post, he was out there and to be honest I respect that, we all have our opinions and to be able to express them is great but every time someone says or writes something that I can see or hear then as far as I am concerned, they have then invited the opinions of others.

Lets put this baby to bed, we are not going to agree so there is no point in arguing about it is there, we all have opinions and are all equally entitled to have them, lets face it life would be very dull if we all thought the same and conformed to the norm :elephant:

Hi Sunny_01. and anyone else I may have insulted. :laugh: Of course there is no point in arguing. you know your own agenda for this forum and that's fair enough.

I have vented my feelings on the subject so I can now go back to my therapists for further advice..:laugh:

In Big Brother it's usual for viewers to criticise housemates in whichever ways they see fit.

If it is ok for housemates to be picked apart on the grounds that they are, say, being boring, false or too loud then it is surely ok to criticise one for being a slapper.

Good point james

Branding someone because of their sexual activities is sexual discrimination which would be condemned if done against gays and so on. So why the double standards when it comes to females who choose a liberated sexual life style. If Mishelle is a so called slapper then what does that make Stuart who is just as up for it or Jason who apparently boasts of some 250 conquests of both male and female. What are you gonna call him!!!. A nice little boy........:devil:

Banana I agree stu is a slapper as is Jay - they are all annoying me in one way or another using sex as a tool - however I just dont like Michelle so that is why she bears the brunt of my dislike.

I hope the therapy doesnt cost to much lol

Meeoww! sunny!:laugh:

I was hoping you would help out and throw a few pennies in my direction.:-)

I have afforded my own straight jacket though. Wearing it now so not too easy to type pppfhhmekxmxnm.....dssa244:laugh:

I actually feel quite protective over Michelle at the moment and i'll tell you my reason why. Yesterday I saw her talking to the Loch 'NESS' monster(Vanessa), and she was saying how when she was a size 18 she wasn't confident at all and she didn't have a friend in the world and she didn't used to go out because she thought people would laugh at her because of her size. This all struck a chord with me because I was big and the moment I started losing weight it was like a weight off of my shoulders(literally!!). I started to feel attractive and I actually thought that a guy could fancy me for the first time ever. I sense that Michelle is going through a similar phase at the moment and that's my reason for wanting to cut the girl some slack. The fact that Stu(who is beautiful by the way), is showing an interest in 'someone like her' is I suspect a really momentous moment in her life. It sounds like she's lived through hell surely we shouldn't begrudge her this moment. Good on you Michelle xx:hello:

I actually feel quite protective over Michelle at the moment and i'll tell you my reason why. Yesterday I saw her talking to the Loch 'NESS' monster(Vanessa), and she was saying how when she was a size 18 she wasn't confident at all and she didn't have a friend in the world and she didn't used to go out because she thought people would laugh at her because of her size. This all struck a chord with me because I was big and the moment I started losing weight it was like a weight off of my shoulders(literally!!). I started to feel attractive and I actually thought that a guy could fancy me for the first time ever. I sense that Michelle is going through a similar phase at the moment and that's my reason for wanting to cut the girl some slack. The fact that Stu(who is beautiful by the way), is showing an interest in 'someone like her' is I suspect a really momentous moment in her life. It sounds like she's lived through hell surely we shouldn't begrudge her this moment. Good on you Michelle xx:hello:

I think Michelle is not liked more because she was obviously willing to go the whole way on national television rather than because she has a liberated sexual lifestyle in real life.

I watched the opening show again today and picked up on the same thing as you did about her size in the past.

From being a shy overweight girl she has sorted herself but the pendlum has perhaps swung too far in the opposite direction and her sexy life style and self confidence that is not at all strong is making her unpopular with those with a prim and proper mind set...

I hope the public warm to her better than thus far because I don't think she is at all that emotionally strong.

After watching tonights show I think both Stuart and Mischelle were auditioning for a part in a porn movie..:laugh::devil:

Hear, hear

Thats a fair point.......But when you think of how far actors go in simulated sex scenes in films and TV in front of millions and don't get called slags for doing it. That's why I think Mischell is getting unfairly trashed. What she and he did or what she and he may do may make her and him look as though both are degrading themselves on TV but that does not make either one of them an evil villain that deserves the trashing she in particular (Because she is a girl) is getting.

I suppose I cud say i like Vanessa and michelle! especiallt if they have a catfight, rofl! :colour::bouncy:

Hi Bananrama

When I finish the course I am currently studying maybe I can help out with your therapy lol - if not I will be more than prepared to make a donation to your save the mind foundation lol.

I really do understand where you guys are coming from with the weight issue - in January last year I was a size 26 and since then have lost a tremendous amount of weight ( ask hells I am sure he will confirm that one ) yes it does imrpove your confidence and increases your feelings of desireability however we are all responsible for our own actions and if she is from a pretty quiet family she has to be totally aware of how her behaviour will affect them. Everyone needs to have some level of responsibility for other people, every time we each do something it impacts on the life of others and I dont think she is keeping that in mind at all.

To be honest though getting down to the nittiy gritty I dont dislike her because of the sex thing, it is the fact that she puts herself across as being so common, she has a sly look about her. I know I sound shallow but hey what the hell lol