The BNP (British Nutters Party) Is a nasty evil bunch of gits. Wanting to have households armed with guns to shoot burglars and any other intruder. this would of course not be to shoot burglars but to shoot any foreigner that was tricked into entering a BNP supporters household. Legalised murder of people of a different race. They are a nasty party and should be avoided like the plague.....

The BNP are right that householders should be able to defend their own property though.....................

they also have a policy that people should be able to keep a firearm and be lawfully obliged to use it on politicians who mess up.

wonder what the lilly livered liberals think of that??!!

cc, have you been over to Europe since the Euro came in? It's fantastic, no messing around.

In 1990 we drove to Italy and had to get: French francs, Swiss francs and Italian Lire. The mental calculations were mind blowing. We ended up topping up with petol and sweeties at every border on the way back to spend up.

Since the Euro I've been to Holland France Belgium Italy Ireland, and I can use the same dosh. Great.

It has had no effect whatsoever on these countries sense of individuality. Macdonalds, Burger King, Starbucks, Cafe Nero etc are the real threats to or national identity. They are in every country you visit. And guess what? They are all US multinational companies.

I'm all for the Euro presenting a real challenge to the monopoly of the American Dollar.

We need to change. If we hadn't changed we'd still be using the groat, or bartering.

We had a european currency in the past - the Florin was used in England and the Low countries - sovereigns and crowns were international in the past. Most money is virtual anyway.

What is so great about the pound??

If you can controll your own currency then you can run the economy to suit your needs. Even the mighty Germany is being effected by the Euro. As we are not in the Euro we can set interest rates and other factors to suit ourselves

See also this story about Germany's woes over being in the Euro

'Germany, like the other 11 nations that currently use the euro, is bound by the European Union's 1997 Stability and Growth pact, which limits a nation's annual public deficit to less than 3% of GDP.'

STICKS, THIS IS JUST GOOD HOUSEKEEPING! Of course if you are part of a system you have to remain solvent, or you pull down everyone else and devalue the currency. That applies to the pound as well. Without this rule they would be admitting economically developing countries whose gross domestic product is limited.

Aaargh, I'm talking finance and politics. I can't believe it!!

I am not against the Euro in principle. However if our economy is reasonably sound as it appears to be. Why rock the boat and fix something if it aint broke.!!!

I agree a common currency makes sense after all what sense would there be in a local town market having all it's stalls (analogy to countries) selling products in different currencies. It makes sense to unify at some time in the future.

Labour are being cautious and I don't blame them for that. A lot more sensible than extremist Victorian Tories and the senseless dive in the deep end Lib/Dem's

People should be allowed to defend their properties without fear of being prosecuted as they are now. I agree.

However with parties like the British nutters Party you have to read between the lines as to what they really want to create.....

Having ex military individuals keep assault rifles at home is a way of gearing up for an armed police state while using it as an excuse to defend the country against some mysterious invasion and burglars

If the BNP were interested in house holders defending themselves they would not restrict arms to that of ex military only...

The concept of mass or universal arming of house holders with a right to use them indiscriminately is shear madness and would lead to effectively legalised killings from all sides of society. With the BNP hatred for foreigners it does not take much working out who would get the most bullets with an accusation of stop thief……

I am afraid I have become completely disillusioned with all the parties. I live in an area where our sitting MP is Dawn Primarolo (works with Gordon Brown) and she has a huge majority.

Having been a school governor and seen the interference from the tories and labour party in the running of the school, with teachers being faced with changing curriculums on a regular basis I am afraid I dont hold out much hope for change whoever gets in that will improve schools.

Working in the legal profession, all I can say is I'll vote for the party who increases payments to legal aid solicitors in order that the poorer members of the community can get their opportunity to use the legal service. Too many of the profession are turning their back on legal aid because it is just so badly paid. For instance the number of criminal defence solicitors is decreasing because they just do not get the money for the work that is put in. Whether guilty or not someone is entitled to a defence, but it is getting more and more difficult.

So me, I am afraid I shall not be voting this time. Copping out - yes perhaps I am but I really do not feel that I have faith in any of them. Tony Blair went down in my estimation with the whole Iraq War debarcle, Michael Howard seems to pick on anything that he thinks will win votes, and Charles Kennedy, for me, doesnt have the experience to run the country.

What happens if we swap currencies and then it goes pear shaped?

I cant imagine blair/brown admitting getting it wrong and therefore returning to the pound.

I like what the monster raving loony party say: that we should keep the pound and invite Europe to join it!

Ive not been to Europe but I do understand that its easier, but why not go the whole hog and have a WORLD currency? that would be even easier still.

There already is one that tends to be accepted more,


The US Dollar

After all all oil prices are quoted in it

BTW if you do not vote, you have no right to complain :nono:

People have died to get us the vote, and with postal voting, what I am using, you don't even have to drag your fat lazy [CENSORD WORD] to a polling station. (However I walk past it on my way to work :blush: duh! )

The wonderful thing about the postal vote, I can vote early and then tell the electon cavasers. That shuts them up :hugesmile:

That's a very valid point.!! However,nothing in life is certain. Judgments and decisions have to be made. Sometimes they get it wrong but decisions have to be made......The world of politics goes on as imperfect as ever.:bawling:

Ive already voted via the postal voting system.

unfortunately, i only had a choice of 4 candidates, the usual 3 parties and UKIP, so I couldnt vote for who I wanted to., I had to vote for my second choice.

How is that fair?

BTW i live in an inner city constituency.


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I agree that the postal voting system is great.

It should be law that you HAVE to vote, and with this postal system, its easier for all concerned.:mad:

Ive had the 3 main candidates at my door. Its funny how theyll promise the earth to get your vote.

I got my polling cards today through the post

I have to date always used my vote but I must admit in the times we are in now I have been tempted to say stuff the lot of them. So I understand where BusyBee is coming from...

I don't regard the Iraq war as a deterrent to voting. Not at all. The monster needed removing and it's a pity they didn't do it years before when they had the chance...Yes. The war is still indirectly responsible for a lot of killings...The problem with the logic anti war persons is that if the war had not happened then the killing would still continue Saddam adding more mass graves to their already huge collection and no chance of an overthrow of a fanatical regime.....Not going to war would not have stopped the killing of innocent people.

However their is now a chance of some sort of democratic future for them. As with us in the the UK who had to suffer the likes of terrorism from the IRA Iraq will have to deal with anti democratic forces. At least they have the hope where as before they had none.....That's why I am not angry with the war decision at all. I am angry with the yellow bellied sit on the fence do nothing brigade of the United Nations.

Postal voting is venerable to corruption therefore should only be allowed by those who otherwise cannot get to a polling station.

No point moaning about a Government if one is to darn lazy to get off ones back side to walk to a polling station.What ever next...Want to be spoon fed.:laugh:

As for compulsory voting. Are we not supposed to live in a free country!!. Free to choose!!! If a potential voter does not have a candidate that they can in all honesty believe in then they should not be forced to vote…Forced voting aint freedom of choice..

I think perhaps and this would be bad news for all parties that a vote selection of “None of the above” should appear on the ballot papers. So then people would have no excuse to say they don’t have a choice. But at the end of the day “Compulsion” is a dirty word…..

Sticks, how did you arrange youre postal vote?

The Conservatives wrote to me asking if I wanted a postal vote. Is this legal?

When they did the periodical update of the electoral register there was a ticky box if I wanted a postal vote, so I ticked it. It came from the council returning officer deparment responsible for the register. (Or it was something along those lines)

Can not comment on the legality of a party asking you if you wish a postal ballot

The reason I asked if it was legal was because a few local councillors have been jailed due to postal ballot fraud. Im sure youve heard of this on the national news.

not heard of this cc100 :shocked:

yeah, a few local councillors her in birmingham have been jailed due to postal vote fraud
(see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/4373719.stm )
they were jailed for 6 months, if i remember right.

also one candidate in yorkshire had 13 postal voters registered in ONE 3 bedroom house!!

it seems to be open to abuse.

I have been told that it is legal for a party to ask a voter if they want a postal ballot. Did the Tory candidate ask you to return the postal ballot back to them???

Some Labour candidates are asking for postal ballots to be returned back to them. From what ever side this is happening it all smells very fishy to me...

Anyone who watches Sky news should have seen the fact that Sky news reporters managed to obtain false postal ballot papers using real names along with the address of premises that are empty......The whole postal system is wide open to corruption..

As i said earlier. As things stand at the moment only people who do not have mobility should be allowed to and need to vote by post.

The tory candidate didnt ask me to send them to him, he told me to post them in the pillar box as a normal letter.

Ive been ill recently and find it hard to get about so thats why I vote via the postal system, although if it increases turnout surely it should be open to everyone?

Now I understand. This case sounds ok to me so vote with confidence...Regards. bananarama...

has all the coverage and electioneering helped you decide who to vote for? or did you decide long ago?

i would vote labour if it wasnt for mr. blair.

You only get to vote for Blair, if you live in the constituentcy of Sedgefield. The sitting MP where I live is Labour, but he voted against the war. Something the Liberal democrats failed to mention in their election literature when they labled him as Tony's man. :rolleyes:

i dont really want to vote...

anyway, can i vote at 17? :rolleyes:

No.

just as well, i wasnt going to be voting anyway :rolleyes:

There's less than half an hour before the polls close!!!

Labour have won for sure, knew they would.

We all knew it was going to be labour who won, no matter how much people slag off Tony Blair the majority of people are still prepared to give him their vote.

Wrong calculation I am afraid.....The majority of people are not prepared to give any party at any election the majority of the vote. Labour have won on 37% of the vote and that leaves 63% of people that did not want labour...

At any election be it a Tory win or Labour win or a fantasy Lib/Dem win no party has a majority of the country voting for them.....:nono:

Such is the corrupt nature of our supposed democracy.....:devil:

:sleep: , not that im really bothered but there you go..

so blairs back, eh?

well what do you think of that? bananarama made a great point that the MAJORITY did not want blair, its just a shame that we dont have a strong opposition, otherwise we might have a new leader.

With such a fragmented vote, it seems a shame that the parties can't split the different jobs between them. Labour could run the public services such as schools and hospitals, the Tories could look after crime, immigration, defence and foreign affairs and the Lib Dems could have the environment and whatever else is left! Then the three parties could get together to decide on the ecomony stuff under the guidance of the Bank of England!

As the parties are becoming so much closer in policies and outlook, it would seem to make sense! :spin2:

That sounds like the ideal solution Kaphic.If only:laugh:

I don't agree that the parties are similar in policy though!!! For example. Tongue in cheek..

The Lib/Dem’s having a suitable party colour of "yellow" won't get involved with war. While Labour with a party colour of red get involved with the flow of blood in war. The Tories having the colour of “Blue” are as such typically obcene…..

The Lib/Dems would allow Europe to walk all over them while the Tories would like to walk all over Europe while labour sits on the fence and organises referendums on the agreed size of the many European eggs that are laid….

As for transport the Tories are going round in ever right hand circles. Labour is stuck in a jam and the Lib/Dem's as usual are just lost in the wilderness looking for some common sense and only finding confused voters that they can convince that a Lib/Dem vote is not a wasted vote...


The environment. The Tories are the original pollution while Labour sweeps up rowdy teens and turns them into even more rowdy teens and the Lib/Dems sweep everything under the carpet and hope that neither the Tories or Labour will find it…..

On the Economy the Tories like to help those that help themselves so bank robbers would do quite well under them...Labour will help those that volunteer for hard labour while the Lib/Dems are busy trying to help themselves on how to add two and two together without coming up with another speech about Iraq...:laugh:

Ok Zzzzzzz Mike!! You can wake up now and carry on not bothering.. After all that’s what nearly 60% of potential voters do and then complain about what ever Government they finish up with…Me I vote and still carry on complaining about what ever Government I wake up to. Such as life.. I think I will stop bothering too. :laugh: