I sincerley hope the killer(s) are brought to justice and we can find out why the hell this even happened.

Again, don't read what isn't there - I didn't say the case was amusing - I stated, very clearly that I thought it amusing to see so many new members on this thread only - particularly as Tibbs isn't the busiest of forums (no offence Tibbs !!).

Can I give you a clue? Yes, I could give you a clue, I could give you a link. Am I going to give you one? No. Take from that what you will.

It is extemely bizarre - as and Rob has just said - as much as finding the killer is uppermost - to find out why, what motive did they have. That's probably as baffling to everyone at this point.


The remark wasn't meant to offend and I'm glad you personally haven't taken any as it wasn't the intention! That post I made was that off with a nice smiley wavy face to all newbies by way of a welcome - how that could be misconstrued as anything other than a welcome baffles me. I think it's great that new members are joining - more input, more involvment, more interraction. Makes the thread more interesting too.

It has too many similarities to the 74 case , THAT IS THE PROBLEM OR THE ANSWER.

I see the mysterious white van that was mentioned by police at the very beginning and felt not to be of significance has now come to the surface again and police are considering this now. 3 weeks later.:conf:

This was raised by a poster on DS that Babycakes referred to a few pages back (who knew CJ and who had provided some personal knowledge of CJ, his background etc)

post on DS that I'm referring to.

Personally, I don't believe it is related. 36 years is a long time for a person to kill.... then decide to kill again. Plus the 1974 killer would be 36 years older - with all that entail of a person aging by 36 years. I don't think they are connected.

MAYBE NOT. SAME GROUP THOUGH REMEMBER POLICE BELIEVE MORE THEN ONE. I know I need not say more to you ,PYRAMID .

I am sure you will agree with me on one thing that someday these excuses for human beings will be brought to justice, Pyramid.

Group? What group?


We don't know if it will be plural. The police are not ruling it out but it's not known for certain at this time if there is one person responsible, or more than one. I may of course be mistaken but I thought there was nothing to indicate a definite involvement of more than one person. Far as I'm understanding, the police are yet to determine if it is one or more people. :conf:

What 74 case?

Glenis Carruthers. here....

Haha no way. The killer must be pretty old by now and probably couldn't even take Joanna. I love how they posted a pic of Joanna with the hair similar to that girl as if that's some kind of link. It's stupid and proves they know fuck all. I mean 1974 for gods sake!

I know.. I'm of the same opinion - a young very fit woman who is strong enough for sports that require muscle power (rowing, skiing etc) - if the killer was for example, 30 in 1974, they'd be 66 now and it's highly probably, that on a fitness level alone - Joanna would outmatch them. Remember: this is the woman who according to her parents, initiated new boyfriends with an arm wrestling match.

Ha Ha go on Joanna

Well people assume at the site of some 'killer' women just suddenly flop and obey. When they usually give a pretty decent fight. Unless they're bludgeoned or something

Yep, for me, whilst I understand the 'association' - the years that have passed and being made aware of how fit Joanna was, I really don't see it being probably. Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

What did you find out about all the sports stuff? Paper and that?

yeah, there was quite a fair bit of mention (I think at the beginning of either her going missing or just around when her body was found), said she was into snowboarding, rowing, (the arm wrestling thing I think was more recent).

In fact hang on..... there's a wiki page set up and (I've just checked) - it mentions on there a few other bits n bobs - though how reliable that is, is as good (or not!) as some of the press stuff I guess.

The wiki is interesting but says nothing new. This case is also interesting, but they won't catch the killer now.

There is the possibility that there is very significant knowledge that we aren't privy to which might mean they are closer than they are letting on - and deliberately witholding info in case it alerts the killer as to them 'being on 'his' tail'..... but I seriously doubt it - there just seems to be too many if, buts, maybes and uncertainty all round.

The carruthers case a dark haired man was seen in his twenties at the scene what would that make him now. Remember his last tenants said he was strong, taken off guard, suprised, anything is possible and the body dumped like jo to make a statement. They must be concerned about this case comming out as it could reveal the truth and i would imagine there is a real struggle going on behind the scene against exposing this case. If it does not come out now or no one is arrested or the wrong person taken into custody i feel it is only a matter of time, as it appears the public are becomming more aware and then the **** will really hit the fan.

Why did the boy friend refer to Joanna as being dead before her body had even been found?

Apart from the Clifton Suspension Bridge, how many other plausible crossing routes are there to get from her flat to where Joanna was found?

http://www.leeds-uk.com/cities/0-pho...at-Britain.jpg

And how many other routes are there in total, even the seemingly implausible circuitous ones?

A man being seen at the scene of the Carruthers case, doesn't mean that person was necessarily the killer. A man in his twenties.... Mid twenties to late twenties? if so, that would still make the person 60 to 65 years old today and unless they had kept themself in real good shape all these years since 1974 - I still don't feel they'd be a match for a very fit young woman like Jo. The element of surprise is always a possibility but I'm not convinced.

'His last tenants said he was strong, taken off guard, surprised'. This doesn't make sense..... who's last tenant? Who took him off guard? Are you referring to the Carruthers case or to Joanna's? If Joanna's - most reports from CJ's friends all report him as being the opposite - ie: not stong enough. :conf:

'I feel it's only a matter of time as it appears the public are more aware......hit the fan'. sorry, but again, this doesn't make much sense - public becoming more aware of what? :conf:

I'm not being obtuse - I genuinely don't understand what you are meaning in much of your post.

IIRC, the father also referred to Joanna in the past tense before her body was found (said something like, "She had so much life in her" or WTTE). I suppose retrospectively, it could be the unconscious mind working on the distinct possibility that was was dead?

He always took great care of his appearance and would dress quite trendily for someone of his age. He was also incredibly fit for someone of his age. He was incredibly strong. This is a quote from his former tenants in jo s flat. The Telegraph.

AN INTERESTING DEVELOPEMENT ON THE TEXT MESSAGE JO SENT. SHE DID INVITE HIM OUT THAT NIGHT AND NOT AS YOU INTIMATED PYRAMID SO SHE COULD HAVE GIVEN THAT PIZZA TO SOMEONE ELSE AS APPARENTLY HE IS NOT A SUSPECT. ANOTHER TWIST TO THIS CASE THOUGH.

No way do a woman's father and her lover refer to a still recently missing person in the past tense. That is how the Soham murderer was caught, by a slip of the tongue: he said "I was probably the last person to see Holly and Jessica alive". How did he know they weren't alive: 'cos he slew them!

Is there any way Jo's father and boyfriend could somehow be in on her death?! I've heard stranger things!!

I see where you are coming from , but the parents said they feel the police are holding back information I would have doubts about them been involved. There seem to be too many other unsolved bits of information to make it viable. I don't believe they would have been holding Chris Jefferies for such a long time if they had nothing at all on him . The text message might bring out more clues and the police have said they will be looking at mobile phones and masts in the area to see if witness statements hold up.