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Kizzy 22-06-2017 02:06 PM

'Tenants in 700 flats in the five tower blocks that make up the Chalcots estate in Swiss Cottage in London received a hand-delivered letter from Camden council this morning advising them that the cladding was the same as that in Grenfell Tower and would be removed immediately.'

That is in one relatively small area...


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

arista 22-06-2017 03:49 PM

[Toxic gases released during Grenfell Tower fire may have caused some deaths
Experts say insulation boards on the outside of Grenfell Tower may have filled flats with hydrogen cyanide when they caught fire.]


not good for those on top flats.

http://news.sky.com/story/toxic-gase...eaths-10922685

Vicky. 22-06-2017 04:11 PM

This is just getting worse and worse tbh. Such negligence.

Crimson Dynamo 22-06-2017 05:09 PM

the whole fckg country is full of flats ready to incinerate all occupants

its unbelievable

and we are all scared of the odd terror attack (and the money spent on guarding against it)

arista 22-06-2017 05:46 PM

They need to check No
Fridges are jammed on a window
in the Flats.

In Camden - They are doing just that
checking Electrical goods in every flat

Cherie 22-06-2017 05:50 PM

The chancellor said it was banned, one building could be a terrible mistake, multiple buildings :idc: if you have work done on your house planning and building regs act like mini Hitler's, the back handers must have been good

arista 22-06-2017 05:51 PM

Yes Cherie
the money they saved with
the Cheaper Danger Cladding
they kept

Cherie 22-06-2017 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9380932)
They need to check No
Fridges are jammed on a window
in the Flats.

In Camden - They are doing just that
checking Electrical goods in every flat

They wouldn't have to if the buildings weren't clad in flammable material :idc:

arista 23-06-2017 12:06 PM

[Grenfell Tower blaze started in Hotpoint fridge freezer FF175BP model, say police]

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-t...eezer-10924716


http://e3.365dm.com/17/06/1096x616/f...20170623135614

Vicky. 23-06-2017 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9380942)
Yes Cherie
the money they saved with
the Cheaper Danger Cladding
they kept

Its ridiculous tbh. To save a couple of thousand you put so many lives at risk. 'Austerity' has a ****ing lot to answer for.

Jack_ 23-06-2017 02:53 PM

https://www.facebook.com/theguardian...5600024241323/

Comes to something when a comedian is the voice of reason

Crimson Dynamo 23-06-2017 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9383647)
Its ridiculous tbh. To save a couple of thousand you put so many lives at risk. 'Austerity' has a ****ing lot to answer for.

So councils never tried to do things on the cheap before the phrase austerity was misused?

Vicky. 23-06-2017 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9383976)
So councils never tried to do things on the cheap before the phrase austerity was misused?

Of course they did but with the seemingly endless cuts the councils are having to do stuff like this a hell of a lot more often or they have no money to spend on anything. Except Kensington council of course, when they have 200m stashed away for no bloody reason besides refusing to spend it on residents/their areas.

Councils are horrendous for wasting money. I didn't realise they hoarded it too though. Our council spent millions on this absolutely ugly statue thing on our front street, only to knock it down 3 months later :shrug:

Our council once sent out someone who wasn't even trained in electrics to fix our trip box thingy and he nearly killed himself. Cowboy councils...expect most are like that. In a way its a good thing that this has all came out as it will make people safer in the future but wtf..who is signing off on stuff like extremely flammable cladding in flats AND who thinks its a good idea to house disabled residents at the top of a tower block ffs

DemolitionRed 23-06-2017 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9380497)
'Tenants in 700 flats in the five tower blocks that make up the Chalcots estate in Swiss Cottage in London received a hand-delivered letter from Camden council this morning advising them that the cladding was the same as that in Grenfell Tower and would be removed immediately.'

That is in one relatively small area...


https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

I heard that on the radio today. It was also fitted by Rydon. I also wonder about Camden's three huge Harrington Square tower blocks which were cladded a few years earlier. I'm sure Camden will be checking them out in due course.

Camden have, at least, been commendably quick off the mark, knowing they had blocks cladded by Rydon and work to remove the cladding from the Chalcot blocks has already begun.

When it comes to councils like Southwark and Newham, however... the mind boggles. We can't just blame Tory councils because there are some awful Labour councils in London, too, with many more tower blocks than Kensington & Chelsea. The pox of Blairism has not been extirpated from local government! and instead of calling it "Blairism" or "gentrification" or "social cleansing", its called "modernisation". All councils now have to be answerable for their tenants future safety.

arista 23-06-2017 09:46 PM

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.ne...1L_front24.jpg

DemolitionRed 24-06-2017 05:15 PM

The 1984 Documentary That Predicted Grenfell Tower


AnnieK 24-06-2017 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9384075)
Of course they did but with the seemingly endless cuts the councils are having to do stuff like this a hell of a lot more often or they have no money to spend on anything. Except Kensington council of course, when they have 200m stashed away for no bloody reason besides refusing to spend it on residents/their areas.

Councils are horrendous for wasting money. I didn't realise they hoarded it too though. Our council spent millions on this absolutely ugly statue thing on our front street, only to knock it down 3 months later :shrug:

Our council once sent out someone who wasn't even trained in electrics to fix our trip box thingy and he nearly killed himself. Cowboy councils...expect most are like that. In a way its a good thing that this has all came out as it will make people safer in the future but wtf..who is signing off on stuff like extremely flammable cladding in flats AND who thinks its a good idea to house disabled residents at the top of a tower block ffs

OUr council put speed bumps on a long straight road that everyone used to fly up and down...a really dangerois.road. 6 months later they removed them apparently according to someone who worked.at the council it was because of the lost revenue from speeding fines they used to get from the.speed camera on that road. If thats true not only was.it a waste.of money but the.road is now potentially a death trap again for the kids who use it to go to school

Vicky. 24-06-2017 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 9388172)
OUr council put speed bumps on a long straight road that everyone used to fly up and down...a really dangerois.road. 6 months later they removed them apparently according to someone who worked.at the council it was because of the lost revenue from speeding fines they used to get from the.speed camera on that road. If thats true not only was.it a waste.of money but the.road is now potentially a death trap again for the kids who use it to go to school

Yes, money means so much more than lives sadly :( Pretty much the case with these flats too. Saving a bit of money is much more important that ensuring human beings are safe.

Kizzy 25-06-2017 12:47 PM




DemolitionRed 25-06-2017 01:42 PM

Thank you Kizzy. Sad times :(

Crimson Dynamo 26-06-2017 07:31 PM

Breaking: govt TOLD the cladding was failing and flammable

source LBC

I may have misheard but check news (i was in kitchen and it was in other room)

Kizzy 27-06-2017 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9397054)
Breaking: govt TOLD the cladding was failing and flammable

source LBC

I may have misheard but check news (i was in kitchen and it was in other room)

And nobody anywhere was surprised..

Kizzy 30-06-2017 09:46 AM

The judge leading the public inquiry into the Grenfell Tower fire has said he is doubtful that the scope of the investigation will be broad enough to satisfy all survivors.

Sir Martin Moore-Bick met with survivors at the site of the north Kensington blaze, but he said afterwards: “I’ve been asked to undertake this inquiry on the basis that it would be pretty well limited to the problems surrounding the start of the fire and its rapid development in order to make recommendations about how this sort of thing can be prevented in future."

He added: “I’m well aware the residents and the local people want a much broader investigation and I can fully understand why they would want that. Whether my inquiry is the right way in which to achieve that I’m more doubtful."


Pilgrim Tucker, a housing campaigner who has worked with Grenfell Action Group, said Sir Martin told survivors during the meeting the inquiry’s terms would be “very narrow”.


In other words for the victims this inquiry is pointless, give them the inquest they wanted.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7815056.html

Kizzy 30-06-2017 11:04 AM

No wonder they wanted a closed meeting...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-reports-say

arista 01-07-2017 12:58 AM

The Conservative Council Leader
will stand down.

He failed


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