It's quite simple. Channel 5 have deliberately and systematically run this show into the ground from day one.

They never had any interest in the civilian version, and that has been proven time and time again. Launching with CBB in 2011, then getting greedy and deciding to run two series a year even when it became clear it wasn't paying off. Wasting time, wasting money, overexposing the show. Cutting the length of the civilian run to accommodate it, then cutting it to its shortest ever length when viewers were finally tiring of the whole thing. The constant interference from broadcaster to production team. Pressing the panic button on series that start off naturally (BB16) with desperate rating-grabbings stunts that flop and ruin everything. The refusal to budge on live feed. The lack of transparency. The tacky, inconsistent, desperate production that has plagued this show for much of its life on C5. Never listening to viewers except when it's too late. The head of programmes talking it down at conferences. The lack of respect. It goes on, and on, and on, and on...

The reason people prefer Celebrity Big Brother is because C5 made a concerted effort to ensure that was the case. The reason the whole show is now tired is because they've overexposed it to **** over the last seven years. They are a diabolical broadcaster that have got their money's worth from this format, and then trampled on it over and over again, before kicking it to the curb.

It's too little, too late. The series launched on the wrong day, at the wrong time of year, and the format is tired. It was never going to recover. Re: the gameplay debate, it makes no difference - the ratings are heading south and were anyway regardless of the format. If anything, the dreadful eviction order is not helping.

So that's where we're at. The show is over. It either needs a long break, or a total revamp and format change preferably on an online platform. You choose.

It’s awfully tragic I agree with all this

Brilliant post.

I agree with literally everything you've just said.

I think its way to early to start it again whether it be on another channel or online Channel 5 have run it into the ground and even as a massive fan I want it to end this year for the sake of whatever dignity it has left and come back in about 5 years so we can get the hype and excitement back which has been lacking for civilian BB since its move to Channel 5 7 years ago.

Time to bury it for a while because these ratings aren't going to improve wherever it goes its been washed, rinsed and repeated for to long.

Ugh. So much truth.

Tbh the younger demo just seem to point blank refuse to watch Big Brother now, no matter what happens it’s been on for so long and they are all just over it. I don’t know why.

The only way I can see a future for the show, is for it to take a long break, and then have a huge relaunch to the generation of people who (at this moment in time) don’t even know what Big Brother is. Just like how Love Island became huge and yet like only 5% of those 5 million viewers knew it was a show made 12 years ago originally.

It’s sad, but it’s all I can see it doing. For civilian bb anyway

Idg how the young demo is so high for CBB but so low for normal BB

Ratings...

Big Brother - 573k (5.08%) *a new low
The Circle - 647k (5.05%) *finishes tonight

^ that with +1?

Yesss

Unfortunately

Officials are in, don't think these include My5 though?

Still rubbish seeing as that only adds around 30k

Monday- 990k
Tuesday- 1.04m
Wednesday- 1.02m
Thursday- 1.05m
Friday- 1.04m
Sunday- 1.01m

So official ratings so far excluding My5 for the 2nd week:

BB launch- 1.33m
Sunday- 1.21m
Mon - 1.21m
Tues - 1.15m
Wed - 1.15m
Thu - 1.21m
Fri - 1.14m
Mon- 990k
Tues- 1.04m
Wed- 1.02m
Thur- 1.05m
Fri- 1.04m
Sun- 1.01m

At least they are all 1 million I guess but next weeks officials wont be.

Can anyone find The Circles officials? Cant believe nobody has been able to :/

The new system only shows the Top 15 (with the 4 screen data, so including on demand) and The Circle barely makes C4's top 15 of the week. It might when officials come out later today if word of mouth has picked it up a lot, but I doubt it

The Circle officially averaged 811k last week across all 6 episodes - excluding on demand. All4 does much better than My5 so I think that would be closer to 1 million officially, certainly over 900k at least.

I think it will push 1 million as you said All4 is a much better service than My5 and i would imagine The Circle would attract a lot more younger viewers.

Big Brother official ratings w/e sept 30th with what each episode added (including on demand) in brackets.

Mon - 1.03m (+418k)
Tues - 1.08m (+427k)
Wed - 1.06m (+398k)
Thu - 1.08m (+383k)
Frid - 1.08m (+390k)
Sun - 1.05m (+430k)

WEEK AVERAGE - 1.06 million

I hope at the very least it stays above a million in officals. Last year wasn’t a million miles from those numbers.

Here’s the full ratings so far then (for OP)

01: 906k (6.0%) - 1.28m

02: 755k (6.9%) - 1.28m
03: 697k (5.7%) - 1.21m
04: 789k (6.4%) - 1.15m
05: 664k (5.4%) - 1.15m
06: 776k (6.4%) - 1.21m
07: 710k (6.3%) - 1.14m

08: 622k (5.2%) - 1.05m
09: 621k (5.2%) - 1.03m
10: 653k (5.4%) - 1.08m
11: 662k (5.4%) - 1.06m
12: 702k (5.6%) - 1.08m
13: 690k (5.8%) - 1.08m

14: 620k (5.2%) - 1.05m
15: 692k (5.4%)
16: 598k (5.7%)
17: 655k (5.2%)
18: 696k (5.6%)
19: 580k (5.0%)

20: 573k (5.1%)


I’m worried those last few overnights will end up with officials below 1 million, but with the circle ending tonight hopefully numbers will grow ever enough to just hold the series average above 1m.

On the bright side, this year's BB is showing good viewer retention. Just need a better launch figure for BB20 (better promotion etc) and maybe it can pick up a bit

What BB20?

On Facebook duh

Inc +1

The Circle: 615k (5.4%)

Big Brother: 624k (5.1%)

Surprisingly, BB beats The Circle on it’s finale night, though not by anything spectacular.

Cameron LGBT king did that?

I am totally baffled, the circle beat big brother on Friday and Sunday with 700k too! Good on bb for holding its ground with a gripping story I guess, goes to show

The taste of the viewing public continues to perplex

Mess I was expecting it to get about 200k against the circle Final. A scream that it beat it!

I expected 500k vs 1m :laugh: welp kinda disappointed though cause I absolutely loved the circle and the final was incredible - but it looked expensive af, not sure it was worth 600k viewers... Hope it doesn't put them off a second series