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Mifletz 12-01-2011 12:20 AM

Saliva!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...n-Jo-body.html

marney 12-01-2011 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mifletz (Post 4048752)

Good news, but going by this bit in the Sun they seemed to have narrowed the suspect down to her flat.

Further tests are being carried out on other swabs taken from 25-year-old Jo's body - and from clothing and possessions in the flat in Clifton, Bristol, where she lived with boyfriend Greg Reardon, 27.

Vicky. 12-01-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 4048077)
Maybe the killer was hungry..?

Hungry enough to eat the packaging? :p

marney 16-01-2011 10:29 AM

..http://www.people.co.uk/.../dramatic...t-night-being-...

Why on earth were the police not given this information weeks ago.

InOne 16-01-2011 10:32 AM

Link doesn't work for me :S

Enid 16-01-2011 10:57 AM

This is getting so much attention because the stupid ****ing po-leece keep releasing information. Yeah okay, think about it. You're trying to catch this killer, yet you're telling the whole nation she had a shoe missing when they found the body. Obviously if the guy still had the shoe, he's now going to get rid of the evidence. WELL DONE GUYS.

Pyramid* 16-01-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by marney (Post 4056369)

The article doesn't state that the police weren't given this info weeks ago - they could have had it for some time and that info is only now being released. Because the word 'new footage' is included in the article, doesn't mean it is new to the police - only 'new' in relation to the public being unaware of it.

Or.....

the 71 year old could have been away on holiday for a few weeks during the whole saga and has recently returned, hence late availability of this footage.

or......

they actually don't have anything and are playing "panic the killer into thinking they have something on them" ?

It's anyone's guess.

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4056373)
Link doesn't work for me :S

Presume it's this : http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-worl...2039-22852165/

One thing that interests me is the saliva found on Joanna. The DNA from this saliva, that they need to try to match up as they think it belongs to the killer...... I'll take a guess then that it hasn't matched up to CJ's DNA then, otherwise they'd have hauled him back in PDQ.

marney 16-01-2011 11:05 AM

PEOPLE newspaper UK & World News

Dramatic new CCTV *evidence which could *provide a breakthrough image of Joanna Yeates’s murderer was last night beingThe footage was captured on the night she went missing by security cameras on a private house 100 yards from her home.

One set up on the side of the building faces out towards the top end of the road where Jo lived.

The other points across the common towards Bristol's Clifton Village entrance to her road.

Crucially the two private cameras are on 24 hours a day. Police are studying the tapes and an insider said: This could be the breakthrough we've been waiting for.

The cameras were fixed to the end-of-terrace Harley Lodge, the home of world-renowned maths professor Sir John Kingman. It stands on the corner of Clifton Down and Canynge Road, the street where Jo, 25, shared a flat with her boyfriend Greg Reardon, 27.

It is believed they cover the route Jo took home. The CCTV could provide information about the time she arrived and reveal whether she was being followed.
Landscape architect Jo walked back after enjoying an evening with work colleagues at the Ram pub in Bristol city centre.

Yesterday Sir John, 71, a former vice-chancellor of the University of Bristol, confirmed he had handed CCTV tapes to the police.

He said: I have given everything I have, all the tapes I had, over to police from my CCTV. I cant comment on what was on them. studied by detectives.

marney 16-01-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4056420)
The article doesn't state that the police weren't given this info weeks ago - they could have had it for some time and that info is only now being released. Because the word 'new footage' is included in the article, doesn't mean it is new to the police - only 'new' in relation to the public being unaware of it.

Or.....

the 71 year old could have been away on holiday for a few weeks during the whole saga and has recently returned, hence late availability of this footage.

or......

they actually don't have anything and are playing "panic the killer into thinking they have something on them" ?

It's anyone's guess.



Presume it's this : http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-worl...2039-22852165/

One thing that interests me is the saliva found on Joanna. The DNA from this saliva, that they need to try to match up as they think it belongs to the killer...... I'll take a guess then that it hasn't matched up to CJ's DNA then, otherwise they'd have hauled him back in PDQ.

The saliva could belong to anyone and not the killer but the camera on twenty-four hours a day would reveal a lot about the times of people coming and going in the area. Let's hope so.

Pyramid* 16-01-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by marney (Post 4056446)
The saliva could belong to anyone and not the killer but the camera on twenty-four hours a day would reveal a lot about the times of people coming and going in the area. Let's hope so.

Obviously and a matter which was discussed and recognised pages ago....(giving people in bar goodnight kisses on leaving, Christmas kisses and hugs etc) but seeing as the POLICE have given the impression that it is a possible link or one that they have to rule out as being possible evidence (it could be the killer's, it could be unrelated) - my point quite clearly is that if the police are not ruling that link out, it's highly unlikely that it's CJ's saliva as the police were still trying to match it to someone. I'm quite sure that they have plenty of DNA samples from CJ. That was my point in my referencing CJ and the saliva.

marney 16-01-2011 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pyramid* (Post 4056461)
obviously and a matter which was discussed and recognised pages ago....(giving people in bar goodnight kisses on leaving, christmas kisses and hugs etc) but seeing as the police have given the impression that it is a possible link or one that they have to rule out as being possible evidence (it could be the killer's, it could be unrelated) - my point quite clearly is that if the police are not ruling that link out, it's highly unlikely that it's cj's saliva as the police were still trying to match it to someone. I'm quite sure that they have plenty of dna samples from cj. That was my point in my referencing cj and the saliva.

more than one person has been mentioned many times before so you cannot rule him out as not being involved in this. I guess statements he has made will be scrutinized against this latest ccvt evidence.

Pyramid* 16-01-2011 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by marney (Post 4056526)
more than one person has been mentioned many times before so you cannot rule him out as not being involved in this. I guess statements he has made will be scrutinized against this latest ccvt evidence.

Absolutely - and conversly, on the premise that the saliva DNA doesn't match CJ's, I personally can be of the opinion that he can be ruled out. It doesn't make me right (nor wrong), I offer up only my opinion.

The CCTV may or may not have anything relative at all - and yes indeed it may prove to be the missing link. Time will tell if it is helpful or not.

I am becoming pretty close to thinking that there is as much chance of the killer being caught as there is of pigs flying.

Has anyone heard of the outcome/results of the police trawling through almost 300 tons of household rubbish in an effort to track the pizza/pizza box??

Cardboard box. Not the most difficult things to dispose of - permanently (ie: burning it) if indeed there was any 'link' to the killer as far as that goes. Given that the killer has so far manged to baffle so many in the police force and evade capture, if they have been smart enough to do that so far, I'm of the opinon that if the pizza box was to be a cruciall piece of evidence, said killer would have also have been smart enough to ensure it's complete destruction.

marney 16-01-2011 01:49 PM

I would say the Police are dealing with a well educated manipulative killer who has at his disposal the best of Lawyers . If it were just Joe Public of the masses he would have been brought to justice by now I am sure. This is only my opinion, but time will tell.

Pyramid* 16-01-2011 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by marney (Post 4056662)
I would say the Police are dealing with a well educated manipulative killer who has at his disposal the best of Lawyers . If it were just Joe Public of the masses he would have been brought to justice by now I am sure. This is only my opinion, but time will tell.


You have your heart so set on it being one person eh! and why not - the police certainly aren't able to make a convincing case for or against anyone so far.

babycakes 16-01-2011 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by marney (Post 4056446)
The saliva could belong to anyone and not the killer but the camera on twenty-four hours a day would reveal a lot about the times of people coming and going in the area. Let's hope so.

I know where the house is as my offspring lives very close by, and it's almost on the corner of a four way junction so there are 4 exit routes someone could have taken away from Jo's flat.

marney 16-01-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by babycakes (Post 4056795)
I know where the house is as my offspring lives very close by, and it's almost on the corner of a four way junction so there are 4 exit routes someone could have taken away from Jo's flat.

I see what you mean it may help though, perhaps they should obtain all private CCTV information via the four ways you mentioned

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 16-01-2011 07:11 PM

another detective :shocked:

marney 16-01-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott (Post 4057319)
another detective :shocked:

Yes Miss Marples:xyxwave:

marney 17-01-2011 11:28 PM

BBC News BRISTOL 18 January 2011 Last updated at 00:00
Jo Yeates's parents say killer must not be shielded The parents of Jo Yeates have urged anyone shielding her killer to come forward.

David and Teresa Yeates said holding back information was prolonging the family's torment and could allow the killer to strike again.Mrs Yeates said anyone noticing unusual behaviour in a friend or relative should tell police

InOne 18-01-2011 10:32 AM

Seems a ridiculous long show and makes the think the trail has gone stone cold.

marney 18-01-2011 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by inone (Post 4060620)
seems a ridiculous long show and makes the think the trail has gone stone cold.

it does seem that way but maybe the evidence they have wont stick. We dont know what is going on behind the scene

Pyramid* 18-01-2011 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4060620)
Seems a ridiculous long show and makes the think the trail has gone stone cold.

I'm sure I read somewhere that after the first 28days, a new team of detectives are brought in - fresh eyes and minds. Can also recall reading that they were intending bringing in older and more experienced detectives etc. Will be interesting if fresh blood bring about anything new.

icemaiden 18-01-2011 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4061489)
I'm sure I read somewhere that after the first 28days, a new team of detectives are brought in - fresh eyes and minds. Can also recall reading that they were intending bringing in older and more experienced detectives etc. Will be interesting if fresh blood bring about anything new.

That was probably newspaper speculation. Although, I am surprised Scotland Yard is not involved at this stage.

Pyramid* 18-01-2011 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by icemaiden (Post 4061747)
That was probably newspaper speculation. Although, I am surprised Scotland Yard is not involved at this stage.


No, I mean as in something bona fide from a police p.o.v. - rather than tabloid reading. I must go have a mooch, I could be getting mixed up, but I'm sure I read it somewhere that it was standard practise.


Yep - here it is:-

One of the ways in which the police service in England and Wales has endeavoured to improve
the quality of murder enquiries is by conducting reviews of investigations. In 1989, the
Association of Chief Police Officers of England, Wales and Northern Ireland (ACPO) introduced a
policy recommending that reviews be carried out on all murders that remain undetected after 28
days. The aims of the review process were to identify and develop investigative opportunities that
will progress an investigation, to act as a form of quality assurance in relation to both the content
and process of an investigation, and to identify, develop and disseminate good investigative
practice. Further guidelines to enhance the conduct of reviews were issued in 1998 by ACPO
Crime Committee as part of the Major Incident Room Standard Administrative Procedures
(MIRSAP). Consequently, each force should have a policy in place for dealing with reviews based

upon these guidelines.

http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/rdsolr2504.pdf Whether it was this exactly this or something more recent I can't recall, but it was in this type of format. It may not not be part of procedure, but as I say, I'm sure I read that it still was the way it works. I could of course be wrong.

Shasown 18-01-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by icemaiden (Post 4061747)
That was probably newspaper speculation. Although, I am surprised Scotland Yard is not involved at this stage.

No its not speculation at all, after 28 days the local force commander will instigate a review of the investigation and will on recommendation of the reviewing officer change parts of the investigation team if deemed necessary.

Mind you it is customary to wait 28 days after an investigation starts before a review is called, we are only on day 24 given the body was discovered on 25th December.

I would be more surprised if Scotland Yard ever got involved, it is the headquarters of the Metropolitan Police Force(of Greater London). Given that the murder is believed to have occurred in Bristol which is in the area policed by the Avon and Somerset Police Force, it would show no faith in the investigative powers of the home force if an outside force was called in to deal with it.


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