Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329294)

Oh, they're not sensitive enough for you. I'm sure the people at the front will be gratified that you're upset on their behalf.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8329297)

Well I'm more respectful than the people who put them there clearly :/

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329303)

LOL... right.

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas (Post 8329320)

Most of the applause was for the speech by Hilary Benn, well deserved in my opinion.
I think the clapping and any merriment after the result was mainly brought on by relief that the debate was over and a decision had been made. I dare say exactly the same response would have happened had the vote gone the other way, for much the same reason.
I can't see how any of the MPs can have made their decisions lightly, either way and will have had a tough time of it this last few weeks.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8329326)

Hilary Benn that when asked on the 15th Nov if he thought the government should extend air strikes into Syria said: ‘No.’, and then added: ‘They have to come up with an overall plan, which they have not done. I think the focus for now is finding a peaceful solution to the civil war.'?

Hmmmm...

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8329346)

The applause was probably pride in the fact that we are finally making a stand in Syria and supporting our allies in the fight against terrorism.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329374)

Yes. Completely agree. And not for the first time, Monkey.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8329326)

Hilary Benn that when asked on the 15th Nov if he thought the government should extend air strikes into Syria said: ‘No.’, and then added: ‘They have to come up with an overall plan, which they have not done. I think the focus for now is finding a peaceful solution to the civil war.'?

Hmmmm...

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8329379)

Yep us non Corbynistas are few and far between around these parts these days:laugh:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329388)

If the country reflected the support he gets on here I'd completely lose faith in the public. But luckily, it does not.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8329392)

I think i would go on a very long holiday abroad.:laugh:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329402)

I'd probably come with you.... Somewhere hot with no mozzies please.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329384)

he said this on November 23rd...

On British military involvement, the UK is already taking action in Iraq and contributing to action in Syria through intelligence, surveillance and refuelling using RAF drones and planes.

The Government hasn’t yet come forward with a specific proposal on extending UK airstrikes against ISIL/Daesh targets in Syria despite a lot of talk in recent months. At the weekend the Prime Minister finally acknowledged the strength of the case that has been being made by Labour and the Select Committee and he told a press conference at the G20 summit in Turkey:

“I think people want to know there is a whole plan for the future of Syria, for the future of the region.

“It is perfectly right to say a few extra bombs and missiles won’t transform the situation.

“The faster we degrade and destroy ISIL, the safer we will be. But we will only be safe in the longer term if we can replace ungoverned space by ISIL with a proper Syrian government.”

If the government now has a proposal to bring forward relating to airstrikes against ISIL/Daesh in Syria then – as we have consistently said, and our position has not changed – we will consider it against the tests we have set. We need to be clear about what difference any extension of military action would make to our objective of defeating ISIL/Daesh, the nature of any intervention, its objectives and the legal basis. Any potential action must command the support of other nations in the region, including Iraq and the coalition already taking action in Syria. And, crucially, it must be part of a wider and more comprehensive strategy to end the threat they pose and the Government must seek a Security Council resolution for it.

http://www.hilarybennmp.com/syrian_airstrikes

Seems the criteria was met.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329388)

If the country reflected the support he gets on here I'd completely lose faith in the public. But luckily, it does not.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8329436)

May I remind you our current govt only represents just over 36% of those who voted....not the country. I feel your frustration more than you know.

Originally Posted by Sleighmie (Post 8329455)

I'm normally a bit of a hippy pacifist with war and things (peace and love man) but I actually feel quite a strong sense of relief about the air strikes going ahead. One of my friends is a Syrian migrant who came over a few years ago on a student visa (his family are all still in Syria) and honestly, as terrifying as it is to think that innocent people might get caught in the crossfire of the air strikes, it's unimaginably worse to know that your loved ones are at constant risk of being kidnapped/tortured/beheaded etc with NO end in sight. And that's the point of the airstrikes, to try and stop ISIS for good. If anyone, ANYONE was able to come up with a better solution then I'd be the first one to say 'cancel the air strikes' but I just don't see it. At least, not anything that would actually help Syrian people NOW. It's all about how it makes us look bad, or we might become a target, or they're not being sensitive and respectful enough about it, but none of this changes the fact that ordinary people like us are living in hell with no way out, and if this has a chance of providing them with one then surely it's worth the risk?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329438)

And may I remind you that 50% of the population couldn't be arsed to vote. You get the government you deserve.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8329457)

That's a great post Jamie. Can't imagine what it must be like for your friend with his family still in Syria. I hope more people can get out into Jordan and Turkey and that the outcome of all this is swifter than people imagine.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8329460)

ah well Corbyns representation on here is as unbalanced as Camerons in society.

Originally Posted by Sleighmie (Post 8329465)

Thanks Livia, and obviously I agree with that sentiment too :) (I deleted my post though because I realised I posted it in the wrong thread - confusing with two 'syrian airstrikes' threads running at the same time lol)

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas (Post 8329320)

Most of the applause was for the speech by Hilary Benn, well deserved in my opinion.
I think the clapping and any merriment after the result was mainly brought on by relief that the debate was over and a decision had been made. I dare say exactly the same response would have happened had the vote gone the other way, for much the same reason.
I can't see how any of the MPs can have made their decisions lightly, either way and will have had a tough time of it this last few weeks.