Soon be Done
Trade Talks


Jan 1st 2021 all over.

This is starting to look almost as big a mess being made of it as is the pandemic.

The recent Japan deal isn't going to make any real impact.

Then again, it's all been another exercise of only deceit.
Admittedly from both sides.

However this turmoil is just about the last thing the whole UK needs, during this virus.

One incredible mess.

People are saying that Boris is holding off saying no deal until the result of the US election is known, which makes a lot of sense as Biden wont give the UK an easy trade deal, trump might

...first we shun the rest of Europe, then we shun our own children...I can’t imagine the queues of countries waiting to trade with us just so that we can say NO to feeding the children...are we GREAT yet...are we nearly there yet...?...

I've seen you mention both sides before, so just wondering what you believe the deceit has been from the other side?

I just think we tried to overplay the negatives.
I felt there were negatives staying and leaving.

I was of the view, the positives of staying, continuing to work together to reform if possible were better.

It was the wild claims of doom were we just to vote to leave and the continuing soundbites of financial ruin, became like threatening too from the remain side.

Of course the blatant deceit too from the other side was horrendous..
Turkey would be joining the EU in a year or so and hoards of Turks would be allowed into the UK.
All blatant lies, as Turkey isn't in the EU and on current form unlikely to be.

It was a record of over 40 years in Europe which stood quite strongly itself without exaggeration being needed of doom and gloom if we left.

I just felt we should have defended the strong elements of being in the EU more and painted a stronger picture of what we hoped for from it in the future.
Using our veto to help steer that more positive course if necessary.

I never could take on board the statements that chaos would happen from the moment we voted to leave.
Which Osborne and Cameron painted fairly often.

I always believed a vote to leave would leave us with years of uncertainty but just chaos.
That was more likely possibly once we left completely.
Even moreso with a no deal scenario.

Therein lies the greatest deceit however, from the leave side, that a deal would be the easiest outcome imaginable.

I just wish we'd concentrated on the positives of the EU, after all we helped build the EU as it is.
Rather than use doom and gloom as the only scenario to see should we vote to leave with instant consequences.

Hope that answers your question Slim.

Are there any particular projections of doom and financial ruin, that aren't being proved true on a daily basis? I know you're thoughtful and fair Joey, so genuinely interested to see a different perspective, even though we're both remainers.

I do think the worst may yet be to come Slim.
After we've left completely.

For me it was the inference, vote to leave then almost immediately after, Companies would be moving out the UK.
Unemployment would rocket.
The pound would sink, we'd be in a near instant recession.

Those things could still happen once we leave fully especially if no deal comes about.
In fact this pandemic is making all even more uncertain.

I voted remain, I would again, once we've left completely too, if a vote was held in the future to rejoin, I'd vote to do so too.

I think the EU has been painted the bogeyman for successive governments.
When it's in the main the government at fault.

We elected government after government which signed the treaties forming the EU, not using our veto.
Then re- electing the governments what did sign them.

I just felt Cameron and those in his party wanting to remain plus all the Opposition parties.
Should have put across a much more upbeat image of our time in the EU.
Pointed out what we gained from it.
Then pushed an exciting plan of working to reform it to make things even better.

I was disappointed we ended up on the remain side kind of on the defensive.
Allowing,bigotry, ugly lies and falsehood, xenophobia and racism to show their ugly unacceptable heads.
In the campaign.

For me the referendum was an awful exercise..
It's narrow victory dividing more and likely never to reunite either.
All I've seen since has just moved me closer to that staying in was the better and right choice.

Which I hopefully think, not too far away, will be seen more too across the Country.

Some fair points there Joey, and you're right about the predictions of doom being instant. They're all true, but just longer term effects rather than day after. Appreciate the response.

You're welcome Slim.

Global Britain

Thanks for that Slim, no surprises there at all.
Shame all the misinformation we were force fed overshadowed that.

Facts don't matter to people who were sold on a dream, they just get in the way of the power fantasy people live for that the UK is still a superpower that controls the waves and can demand that everyone bends a knee.

The dreams will end when reality sets in and they find that it's no greener on the other side at all.

Nope

No deal will bring riches untold for everyone, a new golden age of prosperity.

If you say different you are being undemocratic and unpatriotic

So we are told....

We're at the "brexit was remainers fault" stage of proceedings. Meanwhile, Arista won't even say how many dead are acceptable for his brexit.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElPGcwsX...jpg&name=large

i'm struggling to see how brexit was remainers fault :laugh:

There was no remainer compromise integrated into the exit agreement at all

in that tweet the person has invented a scenario to be indignant at

:joker:

50% say brexit was the wrong thing to do.
38% still saying it was the right thing to do.

Changes Nothing

Not yet it doesn't.

However future elections for government are going to have to address this, as more and more younger voters join the register.

Who were furious at being left out of this original vote and decision..
Then as the real electors of the future, if this holds, to wish to return.

Even moreso if we did end up unbelievably with a no deal outcome.

Brexiters were easily fooled into voting for economic ruin in favour of cutting taxes for the rich. They voted against EU controls made to protect their own rights so they can wag their tails at their overlord's feet while the government are free to change and strip rights away as they please.

It's time for everyone who voted Brexit to realise what they have done and accept responsibility for being gullible and wilfully ignorant to ignore the facts and warnings that were everywhere telling them why leaving was a bad idea.

Leaving children hungry was the governments way to get people brexit ready

https://newsthump.com/2020/10/28/lea...ts-government/

some unemployment percentages in EU countries