...it’s not for me to refute anything LT and you know that, I’m not claiming anything ...as has been said, it’s all on YouTube and sites which can be googled...pages and pages of it...

https://www.qt.com.au/news/total-lie...ammed/4181248/

when your own loving father brands you a liar it really has gone too far

:skull:

i know you cant refute it as there are too many too refute and tbh people have stopped trying now

She lied about Archies birth time which upset William

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...an-Markle.html

In an unmistakable ratcheting of hostilities between the two camps, a spokesman for the couple said: 'As evidenced by their work over the past year, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex remain committed to their duty and service to the UK and around the world, and have offered their continued support to the organisations they have represented regardless of official role. We can all live a life of service. Service is universal.'
Surely they meant self-service? That is the only explanation that makes sense. If this statement wasn't so downright rude, it would be laughable. Service to the UK and around the world? Who do they think they are, the Gandhi and Bambi of the Second Coming?
Over the past few months the couple have visited food banks in Los Angeles on a couple of occasions, while indulging in their favourite pastime of lecturing others on where they are going wrong in their lives and urging us all to be more perfect like…well, like them. It all hardly amounts to a hill of organic beans, let alone a lifetime of devoted service to the UK, to America or to anywhere else.

Extract from article well worth a read it it's entirety.

...people will believe whatever they’re inclined to believe...because there really are barely any ‘reliable sources’ and even within the Markle family itself, there will be ‘many truths’ and also many manipulations of ‘truth’ and adjusting of truth...and I doubt we’ll ever truly know the ‘complete family’ ..all we ever have is the persons ‘truth’ we care to believe...

Well they're not even lies as such even if they were right.
There's also nothing there to indicate serious deception or anything like it.

Certainly nothing to warrant the acidic dislike and venom directed at her.

There's one even more ridiculous one, such as she knew what would be expected as the wife of a Royal.
You can never really know until you are living it.
Born into it, you know it and that is likely emotionally draining at times.

There's always been Royal rebels.
Harry himself was, he was hounded by the media at almost every social thing he went to.
Photographed seemingly drunk at times.

Sarah Ferguson was ill equipped for Royal life, she knew well in advance as much as Meghan could have.

Princess Diana herself was stifled by the starched rigid rulings of Royal life.

That's not a lie for goodness sake.

One of the biggest rebels after having had her perhaps hoped for happiness taken from her originally was Princess Margaret.
The socialite Princess who didn't give a damn.

If it's hard for those born into it, it must be a living nightmare when you realise it's not what you believed.
I'd never want to be a Royal.
You'd need to lose heart and brain almost to just become robotic.

I see no lies as such, nothing to warrant intense dislike against a single woman, to hound her as some disgraceful wretch..
Add in the even worse media we have now, some of the more shocking elements of some social media too.

No wonder these 2 wanted to escape from the near like handcuffed part of life of such an existence.
For me, fortunately, Harry adores his wife and wants to and is, standing with her and beside her all through.

For me, that's the nicest thing to see out of this unhappy situation.

I have said all along, I was surprised Harry could seem to lose sense of duty, with his , grandparents needing to wind down their involvement, so leaving the Royal duties, now to his own Father in his 70s, plus only Brother and sister in law to take on the workloads.

However, looking at the front pages of papers on here, even before they chose to head off.
Looking at other social media.
Then reading the bloodthirsty like character assassination attempts against her by, amazingly, even adult individuals.

I can now excuse him doing that to gain more control, over their lives, his wife's and soon to be childrens safety and likely sanity too.

I again just wish them well.
If they're on something and I want to I'll watch it and listen to them.
I'll agree with them at times and not at other times too.

I may even not bother taking any notice of what they do and certainly won't be digging out every word she's said or all she may or may not have done .
To present her as just about a witch that needs burning at the stake for goodness sake.

Perhaps the middle ages isn't that far back into history as we think.

Another extract from the article I posted upthread:


So where do Meghan and Harry go from here? Despite their brittle bravado in the face of this latest demotion, much of the Sussexes' international appeal is contingent on public understanding that they remain enmeshed with, and indispensable to, the Royal Family.

Without that, who or what are they? Just another couple of Hollywood starlets seeking to impress with their charity portfolio, perhaps. In royal circles they remain much loved, but now have about as much official standing as a pair of corgis.

And why should anyone in the world beyond care about them or what they think?

It is no secret that Harry and Meghan were once so desperate to flee the deprivations and imagined horrors of royal life they didn't even have the decency to alert the Queen to their escape plans.

Yet it remains fascinating that despite the growing disdain they now seem to harbour for the House of Windsor, they have never been quite appalled enough to consider giving up being a Duke and a Duchess.

If the Sussexes really wanted to carve out a progressive new role for themselves, surely the encumbrance of these ancient royal titles would have been the first thing to be ditched, in favour of the sunny, Californian, linked-not-ranked meritocracy that they claim to love and admire so much?

Instead, Harry and Meghan still want to enjoy the prestige that these ancient crowns of privilege bring to their celebrity status; their titles are key tools in their battle to capture hearts and minds with the whipped blancmange of their fashionable beliefs, which include climate change, mental health issues and unconscious racism.

As I say, I am sure they mean well. But it is entirely possible to understand their motivations, to agree with their causes, to appreciate their politics, but at the same time still feel that you're being strangled by their double rainbow of smug conceit.

And this latest row with the Queen shows a worrying lack of humility in the face of adversity. 'To do something of meaning, to do something that matters,' was the Sussexes' stated aim when they launched their not-for-profit Archewell Foundation last year.

The name, they told us, was a combination of 'an ancient word for strength and action, and another that evokes the deep resources we each must draw upon'.

Until that point, the only deep resources Harry and Meghan had drawn upon were poor Prince Charles's bank accounts.

All this, and the unstinting support of the Queen, seems to have been forgotten in this week's rather abrupt and unworthy lack of grace towards the Royal Family who have given them both so much.

Yet so much of what the Duke and Duchess of Sussex do and say now seems to raise more questions than answers.

If they really want to lead lives of public service across the world, why didn't they just quietly begin in America by doing good works and letting their philanthropic profile emerge naturally?

Instead of this endless blaze of publicity and self-congratulation?

And while we are here, why can't the pair of them be a little kinder to their own respective families along the way?

Charity begins at home, after all.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...an-Markle.html

Best bit for me:

Yet it remains fascinating that despite the growing disdain they now seem to harbour for the House of Windsor, they have never been quite appalled enough to consider giving up being a Duke and a Duchess.

If the Sussexes really wanted to carve out a progressive new role for themselves, surely the encumbrance of these ancient royal titles would have been the first thing to be ditched, in favour of the sunny, Californian, linked-not-ranked meritocracy that they claim to love and admire so much?

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Reposting highlights from articles is absolutely genius :joker:

I didn't even bother to read it

Jets best bits! :fist: :hehe:

Really? :think:

Are even surprised at this point? Time and time again these articles are used to push the hate agenda.

you who called Meghan's sister scum?

:shrug:

We have actual evidence of her sisters scumminess though not fabricated nonsense consumed by the gullible.

Fabricated nonsense would be making up nonsensical lies, whereas the article is the opinion of a journalist. Lies and opinions are 2 different things.

Ok jet

Yes its true

That makes no sense, but you do you, sis.

That's a whole lot of assumptions, overemphasising and picking and choosing. There's also no justification for selling out their family to the press, in fact your attempts to vindicate them by making out they didn't get paid only makes them look like bigger ******** because that means they attacked their daughter/sister when she was about to get married out of pure spite and vindictiveness.

Are you going to make out that they didn't do it for profit and instead they just did it to cause harm to someone and dampen their day? Are you really going to defend such behaviour after going to lengths to establish that it wasn't need nor greed, that motivated them, but pure viciousness?

Also you keep making out that they aren't profiting from Meghan but did you not say you read Samantha Markle's book? That she had a part 2 in the works? So if what you say is true, she lashed out at Meghan just for the sake of being malicious and then she profited from a book deal.... and you're desperately trying to spin things to make them the victims here? Warped.

Exactly....clear hatred for someone they don’t know :shrug:

Calling out someone for actions they have TAKEN with actual EVIDENCE of the actions isn’t hatred lmao

No it isn't.
Well said Glenn.

Thanks for the go ahead, my life is complete bro