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I don't care about xenophobics, I just think they are mostly angry poor people with a mighty chip on their shoulders. I do care that they believe things are going to be so much better (immigration wise) if we leave the EU, because that's simply not true. |
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Most I'd assume come from the centre or centre-right, and have seen society's have a massive tilt to the left, and not a good left, it's a left that constantly attacks our freedoms and our identity's. We're made to feel ashamed of who we are and where we're from. which is something you'd expect in a far-right society. We should be proud of who we are and where we come from. What Britain has done for this World is incomparable, alright it's had it's bad bits, but what country hasn't? You or I don't owe anybody anything. |
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I couldn't tell you why there has been a rise of nationalist thinkers but I would take a guess that most of those who call themselves nationalists, or who enjoy some of the benefits of nationalism, have just been sucked into right wing propaganda, a propaganda that points its grubby finger at the left and has people believe its those bloody immigrants that are responsible for their low wages, lack of affordable housing or unemployment. The more the neoliberals suppress the poor, the bigger the rise in this type of nationalism. |
'The more the neoliberals suppress the poor, the bigger the rise in nationalism.'
Yes it's funny that, how does that work? The demonisation of the poor resonated with some who subscribe to a national ethos but in a more sinister twist that has morphed into something even uglier, the outcasting too of those incapacitated or old. A frightening development. |
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Its very confusing and conflicting. People who make a hard stance on immigration and want Britain to be reclaimed by the British are not or shouldn't consider themselves to be nationalists if they vote conservative because conservative nationalism doesn't represent those wishes. More interestingly, because our conservative parties have gradually morphed into 'neoliberal thinkers'; nationalist voters who vote for them, are voting for a party that completely clashes in every way with what any sort of nationalism stands for. Hard left could be 'social nationalist'... far right 'fascist nationalist' (both totalitarian). So when you and I get accused of being 'hard left' they could be accusing us of wanting an ancestral race. :conf: Anyway, that aside, goes and bangs my head on the wall!, my point is, a person who desires to reclaim Britain from immigrants and I don't mean people who just want to properly sort out illegal immigration in a diplomatic grown up way but the ones who would love to turn round to the Indian shopkeeper and tell him to feck off home, could be right wing or left wing. They could be as much aligned to the Labour party as the Conservative party. |
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They're going to have to retract that.
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Feck Me Kizzy what about Prince William saying stay in EU the other day. And the Queen never comments on Press reports. I think it Great the number 1 selling newspaper has done this Front Page, Fair Is Fair Well done Piers GMBHD saying there is truth in it after Clegg just spoke dodgy words |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-35760912
EU referendum: Queen neutral, palace says after Sun claim |
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Yes We know ( all with TV news or radio) But she must say that in Public DR. That BBC link is not Valid to me., |
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I was just updating the thread because not everyone will bother to go and look for themselves ....geez!! |
Prince William didn't suggest we stay in the EU. All he said is, "Britain is a forward thinking country". That could mean anything.
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No GMBHD Live is more Valid. Also ITV1HD Lorraine And of course you were correct to post the Official Response Fair And Balanced |
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It was more than that and he is Pro EU. But Our Queen is Get Out of the Gravy Train Mess Europe |
The Sun printing utter nonsense again likely.
They should be made, if they in fact even have any, to reveal their source for this. If they cannot reveal their source,or they are supposedly anonymous, the Sun should be made to make a massive retraction at the very least, all over its front pages and not on page 6 or 7 as they usually do. Why anyone even looks at or buys this rag is beyond me,even sadder is that anyone takes anything they say seriously either. It would be out of production for me and I give no thought either to its mostly misleading/lying editorial team and many of its staff too as to that. |
it seems the Sun is referring to conversations in the past where the Queen is alleged to have voiced a political opinion. The queen has been neutral on every political decision over her entire reign, including issues such as Scottish independence, which, with respect, are of much greater concern to the UK than if we choose to remain or leave the EU.
Also, if the queen did express an opinion, who cares. She is well past her relevance sell by date. |
That front page printed ,even were it right without the permission and endorsement of the Monarch is a total disgrace in the UK.
It is also totally misleading,I have thought on things the EU was going the wrong way about things however I still do not support leaving it. Even the conversation,if it ever took place, as stated does not indicate the Queen saying she supports leaving anyway. This is a likely total fabrication from the Sun well known as to its lies and slanderous headlines as to the Hillsborough tragedy. This should actually be a serious matter,that a publication,( wrongly described as a newspaper in my opinion), can get away with printing on a front page, something so totally unsubstantiated and rejected by all concerned. The sooner this rotten mess of a joke as to a publication is gone the better. |
This is a just a very sneaky banner campaign by Murdoch who's done more u-turns on the EU than a gridlock of cars in a traffic jam. He's presently sitting with Brexit, hence his poster page but he will likely change his mind sometime soon.
The thing about such a poster campaign is, regardless of its untruth, its still a massive advert for Brexit. The other papers need to counter that with posters of the Queen and headlines saying, "THE QUEEN HAS NOT SAID SHE WANTS BRITAIN TO LEAVE THE EU" because if they don't do that, then all those people who don't buy newspapers or watch the news, could remain misinformed. |
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What will happen, though, is that they will clarify this in a tiny 2 inch square article on page 7 next week. |
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"That front page printed ,even were it right without the permission and endorsement of the Monarch is a total disgrace in the UK."
Sure Joey but they have a solid source and Prince William is Pro EU So its a Good Balance Joey |
'Buckingham Palace has complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) about a report in the Sun newspaper which claimed that the Queen had voiced strong Eurosceptic views.
The front page story was based on an anonymous source's report of a lunch with Nick Clegg during his time as Deputy Prime Minister. It claimed the monarch had vented her anger with Brussels at Mr Clegg, who is pro-EU, during their meeting at Windsor Castle in 2011.' I'm guessing GCHQ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...-a6921051.html |
'Imagine a country in which there is:
– No statutory right to paid holiday – No legal limit on the number of hours employees can be required to work – No right to a daily rest period – No laws to prevent employers discriminating against workers who are disabled or who have particular religious beliefs – No right for employees to take time off work to look after a sick child. This was the UK before the New Labour government was elected in 1997. Since then a substantial number of employment rights have been introduced – most of which have their roots in EU legislation. Thanks to the EU, employers cannot treat part-time workers less favourably than full-time workers, working parents have a right to take leave to look after their children, and temporary agency workers and workers with fixed-term contracts are entitled to the same basic conditions as comparable workers with permanent contracts.' Still want out?... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6921126.html |
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