Actually I think most people on here get bent out of shape from time to time. Anyway... it's not about other forum members, is it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/me...-a6782181.html

Front page apology from the sun...oh dear

I look forward to the day when all of Britain's gutter press have to pay hefty automatic fines for every piece of unsubstantiated slander and propaganda they print. Theyll either have to stop, or they'll go bust pretty damn quickly.

I think all corrections should have to be printed on the front page, its about time they were held more accountable for spreading ****.

Excellent point Chewy, the accusations that there is a right wing bias to our media cannot in all seriousness be denied now. It's not in any way subtle.
I am so proud of the British sense of fair play, the rubbishing of Corbyn has gotten so overt that it's laughable.

They should indeed. well said.

None of the silly fines to them either for great errors, if they refuse to do comply with decency, stop them publishing at all for a period of time.
They may then just get the message.

{ Corbyn Challenges PM To Annual TV Debate
The Labour leader says the Government should be held to account 'throughout their period in office - not just at election time'.}

Yes JC I like your style
but its nothing you can Demand.
you can ask
but Not Waste Time Demanding,


As Dave is finishing at the End of this Term


They are staying as a Election Ploy
you can not Demand Feck All
as you are NOT in power

http://news.sky.com/story/1613578/co...nual-tv-debate

Sign Of The Times

"Why it might come across as "Britain hating" is because, sadly,
the majority of British people and therefore, as a result,
British politics is currently predominantly right-leaning."


Yes TS (his post is a page back)
because we want to Evolve

We do not need Unions


We need more AsdaWalmarts



Feel The Force

There are more right wing influences is all imo, if most thought about what benefited themselves, their families and their communities then that would change pdq I'd say.

Serious question, what is a viable alternative. what would protect the rights of workers in the UK if not the unions?
Feel The Force

[Serious question, what is a viable alternative. what would protect the rights of workers in the UK if not the unions?
Feel The Force ]


Every AsdaWalmart to have Suggestion Box in
staff room
That Data sent to USA Head Office.

Results Print Out Printed
in Very Large Print
on notice board
that Print out is not to photographed
under Legal Copyright
© 2016 AsdaWalmart. All Rights Reserved

Manager of Each store
offering free consultation for any staff
in there working time
so they are paid to ask the manager to improve a section

All data will be stored
and a new Staff arrangement - that many of them prefer
is then set up.


No Unions Needed

So that is your suggestion for retail, what of industry and service organisations?

I have Many Other Bigger Plans
but I can Not post those Online
as they are Under Debate in Private.


I would love to do another thread
on The Industry
without Unions
but I have been advised that as I have submitted that
it can not go online


That AsdaWalmart
can go online
as it not in Practice at this time.



Now all this is on a JC thread
as I like him
I love how he said Industry.


So If I had time to talk to JC or his MANAGER son
I would spare them some time.

And Warn them
that If a Business is Positive
and allows Open Feedback to Improve
then we do not need Corrupt Unions.


Evolution Is here Kizzy

I would also show this chap to JC
as he has no time for any Unions
and he is Far Far younger than me
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=294069

Removal of fought for workers rights is regressive... period.

The ASDA I use and I expect other ASDA stores are the same,have all the staff on 16 hour contracts, the staff I hear talking as I go round are far from happy staff and most haven't a clue if they will ever get many weeks with over that 16 hours work.

For me, the last thing we need are more stores that exploit peoples working lives like this, because they,the staff on 16 hours contracts, cannot get another job in addition. Since were Asda to need any of those staff quickly and it could be as little as a few hours notice given,they 'have' to be available to come into work and to be contacted easily too.
A bad way to expect people to work in my view.

As for Corbyn wanting annual debates,I think it a good thing but it won't happen with this PM for sure.
He says he is held to account in PMQs every week, what rubbish, he never answers a question there,he asks more than he answers and is even worse than Gordon Brown ever was in this farce of PMQs.

No one is taking workers rights away.


We are taking the Corrupt Unions away



Its that simple

"more stores that exploit peoples working lives like this, "

You are out of you Depth, Joey

We Survey all workers, in private.
They prefer a Manager of each store
helping them get the best job they can do.

You already in a AsdaWalmart
shopping
we only want the staff to be better.
And with our help , they will.

and whats so great Joey
and No Corrupt Unions are used.

Evolution

Life In The City

Really, in the ASDA store I go to I find very few staff who are happy at all, the store is understaffed,I have myself pulled up supervisors for the way they talk to the staff as if they are rubbish.
I have been told by checkout operators they should have had a break an hour ago and are still waiting.

It is a disgrace that a company only offers a guaranteed 16 hours a week work and that then those employed have to be able to be easily contacted in case they are needed at even very short notice.
So cannot even get more hours in employment elsewhere in addition.

Out of my depth, I think not, that is pathetic and it is time there was some clout to ensure people get fair contracted hours and are treated with more respect in the workplace too.
As I say, using this ASDA store a lot,I would be lucky to find a quarter at best of the staff happy being there.

If that is your vision of a good working future for people then that's fine but it is certainly not mine and most of the staff were on far more contracted hours until a couple of years ago when new contracts brought in the 16 hour gauranteed hours only scheme.

It is not just ASDA however, other Stores operate this too.
Not acceptable in my view and not acceptable to stop them having a 2nd job elsewhere.
It is really time these contracts were looked at and some legislation put in place to assist workers affected by them too.

Evolution you term it, exploitation more like for me, and of course people would prefer a manager and the support to do the job they are best at.
They also would like more than just a guaranteed 16 hours a week and if not possible to, then be permitted to be not penalised for taking on a 2nd job either.
'If' they can even get one that is.

How has this thread however which should be about Corbyns views on Syrian air strikes and his leadership gone into employment and Asda, none of which has anything to do with Corbyn at all at this moment in time.

the debate issue he raised is valid because the Syrian air strikes would be part of the debates probably if they ever came about.

Whether we need unions or legislation or some other mechanism to protect workers rights is neither here nor there. Workers rights have been significantly eroded since the 80's and no government; labour or conservative have done anything about it

The unions were too strong in the 70's, I don't think anyone would dispute that with honesty, but the pendulum has swung much too far in the other direction since then.

Its all very well to say that informal mechanisms are better or "more fluffy" but nothing without legal force or bite is good enough or effective enough to truly look after the rights of the individual. For those that say they are all right now, just wait, you never know when you will need the protection, and you can't rely on a boss being nice then.

I would support any sensible legislation that truly was looking after the rights of the individual employee.

I am in total agreement,start to finish,with the post above and especially the bit in bold.

[Evolution you term it, exploitation more
like for me, and of course people would
prefer a manager and the support to do
the job they are best at.
They also would like more than just
a guaranteed 16 hours a week and
if not possible to, then be permitted
to be not penalised for taking
on a 2nd job either.
'If' they can even get one that is.]


yes it is Evolution
as it works
You are a Grafter or Slacker.

You are out of your depth
as you do not know the places that have this working well.

At this time
those places can not go online

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I was going to post a similar view BOTS, but you have expressed it better anyway.

The unions WERE hi-jacked by self-serving militants - Derek Hatton is a reprehensible example - and, once again, a moderate majority remained apathetically silent while these subversives virtually ruined the UK.

Now - as you succinctly say - 'the pendulum has swung too far the other way', and some workers are being defecated upon.

Great Post Bots.

Anything can appear to work well on the surface and hide the discontent underneath arista.

The ASDA store I go to appears to work very well,it is only because I regularly go in there and get to talk to staff, (which is discouraged by the management by the way, they do not like the staff engaging long with customers at all),that I have been able to lean their grievances and for many their real dislike as to working there.

Many do their jobs to the best of their ability but hate almost every minute they are there.
I know you are a strong advocate for ASDA but for me they are one of the last companies I would herald as being anything noteworthy as to employers.

I am not someone who just takes things as they appear on the surface, I like to dig a little deeper to see what lurks underneath too.
Often that is where the real truth lies too,far different from the presented glossy picture fronting issues.

"The ASDA store I go to appears to work very well"


You know the numbers?

Stop all this Lurking underneath talk

With respect I will stop nothing of the sort,and you have no right to tell me to do so either,so kindly refrain from doing so.

I hear great numbers of the staff moaning as to not enough staff,moaning at their lack of hours and moaning at how they are spoken to and treated when at work.

Numbers are not necessary and unobtainable anyway since ASDA would never independently 'ALLOW' their staff to be interviewed without some of what they say undirected.
Talk to them as they leave or when you come across them when not at work, then even you may likely find the same large discontent I have been able to find just by talking to and being interested in them as people.