Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11508516)

I've been ripping into him since about 5 minutes after he became LOTO. He lied egregiously to win that election, and he did it again to the country. Joey won't even acknowledge my existence these days, because I tried to tell him who he was supporting. I would guess I've probably been his biggest critic on the forum.

Please tell me exactly what you think I've missed?

Decades ago, when Corbyn was working for a tailoring trade union he negotiated a deal successfully, and after everything was finalised he was offered a suit by a tailors. He turned it down because of how it would look

The right wing of the labour party aided by a willing right wing media, smeared with total fabrications, a man with honesty, integrity, and principles, all because the thought of a country that asked them to pay more in tax so we could improve things, was just too much to accept. The country is finished. The last chance to drag it back passed in 2019, We are on the path of the US now, where everything will be privatised, and politics exists to tread on citizenry to pass money upwards. I'm only interested in policies and government that work for the people, not the other way round.

Unless people start looking into the truth of socialism, and not the cold war- pushed narratives, there's no way back from this point. Our living standards are below Poland and Serbia, and we still call ourselves the gtreatest country on earth because we enslaved half the world a few centuries ago. We're a failed democracy, and a failed society. There is no need for us to live like this. It's pure and simple apathy. France rioted when they tried to raise the pension age. We have the lowest pension in western Europe, the lowest welfare support, the highest age of retirement, and for what?

Because the homeless shelter volunteer, and amateur jam maker n was just too dangerous. Absolute fcuking madness.

Unless people are willing to move their votes away from the monolithic labories, in order to vote for progressive change, then things are only going to get worse.

Unless Starmer has to sack reeves because she becomes too toxic for his reputation, by the time she's finished, there is a good chance she ends up as reviled as Thatcher when all is said and done.

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11508689)

i actually think the UK political system is doing ok. It's more robust than people seem to imply. Democracy chose the governing party, it was the will of the people, just like it was when Boris won in 2019. We may not like the choice that people make, but thats part of living in a democracy. If it was the will of the people, Corbyn would have won. He didn't on 2 attempts, and people need to accept that. Saying things are unfair, the press is unfair etc are bad losers. People are capable enough of deciding who they want and don't want in power

Originally Posted by Beso (Post 11508692)

It would be a lot easier to accept if they all just stopped lying before elections.

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11508696)

people know that everyone is lying though :laugh:

Originally Posted by bots (Post 11508689)

i actually think the UK political system is doing ok. It's more robust than people seem to imply. Democracy chose the governing party, it was the will of the people, just like it was when Boris won in 2019. We may not like the choice that people make, but thats part of living in a democracy. If it was the will of the people, Corbyn would have won. He didn't on 2 attempts, and people need to accept that. Saying things are unfair, the press is unfair etc are bad losers. People are capable enough of deciding who they want and don't want in power

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11508516)

he was offered a suit by a tailors. He turned it down because of how it would look

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt (Post 11508896)

Starmer makes me ill just looking at him.

Can't stand the man. You know he's lying when he opens his mouth and speaks.

I don't think he'll last 12 months as PM. He's already one of the most hated men in the UK, alongside Huw Edwards. But for very different reasons of course.

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt (Post 11508896)

Starmer makes me ill just looking at him.

Can't stand the man. You know he's lying when he opens his mouth and speaks.

I don't think he'll last 12 months as PM. He's already one of the most hated men in the UK, alongside Huw Edwards. But for very different reasons of course.