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bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:18 PM
I dislike Benitez in a footballing sense and think he is overrated as a Manager, although he did some good things with both Valencia and Liverpool.

I respect how he is thoughtful and respecting of Hillsborough.

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5946885)
Istanbul.

Took over the dregs of Houlliers team, and turned it around while you lot had already spent £30m on Ferdinand, £27m on Rooney etc, and he made us competitive, despite only spending £15m each season. Don't forget Arsenal were the invincibles, and you and Chelsea were spending loads on top players at that time.

People will try to rewrite history in a way that they never do for any other manager, but the job Rafa did was unquestionably good. Only people who believe the media narrative buy into this Rafa was a clown nonsense. How many managers have won the CL with players like Traore and Biscan?

You want to know why he's a hero? Because of footballing reasons. He spotted what H&G really were before anyone else and he called them out. The media say he got too involved in the politics at the club, but he was fighting for the club, not against it. H&G were the cancer, not Rafa.

Think what you like of Benitez, but he was never the problem. He made some transfer mistakes in his last year, and the team wasn't great, but Fergies first few years were up and down, and he didn't have a cl and fa cup to show for it.
To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:19 PM
I can't help but feel sorry for Torres. If he leaves Chelsea in the Summer I reckon they will try a swap deal for Falcao.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946892)
To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.
I agree. Every manager has had their good/bad signings, you can scout someone a lot or take an interest but you never know how the player will peform until you see them play.

Some players unfortunately struggle to live up to the hype, where as some do well and maintain it unless there is a decline in form, but it depends on the mentality they have and looking after themselves.

Jesus. 21-04-2013 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946892)
To be fair, we also bought Liam Miller and David Bellion around that time. Rooney was the only big signing. Rio came two years previous so wouldn't really count him. We had a sh-it team back then.

Rafa did a good job but there was also some luck in that Champions League run.
That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:26 PM
Bale coming back from an ankle injury/not being 100% and still being Tottenhams best player, guy is brilliant..I am warming to him

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5946897)
That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.
You got the results, fair play I would take any win even if my team did not play at their best and I am sure you feel the same about Liverpool?

United got called lucky by Chelsea fans in 08 because of winning on penalties in Moscow, but it was OK for them to win it on penalties last year vs Bayern Munich.

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5946897)
That was my point - you had a team already packed out with quality, and Rafa was criticised for the fact that we weren't winning everything. For every Liam Miller and Bellion you had, we had a Josemi, a Biscan or a Traore.

Where was the luck in the CL run? I can only think of the 3-0 comeback.
Packed with quality is not how a lot of United fans would of deemed the side back then xD. Ronaldo was still a raw talent. Silvestre at centre back. Two useless keepers in Howard and Carroll. Two widely deemed, harshly imo, flops in Djemba - Djemba (so good they named him twice) and Kleberson. We had lot's of issues back then. We were miles from Mourinho's Chelsea. Also just remembered Kieran Richardson. Played him at flippin' left back sometimes.

And I wouldn't really deem coming back luck, unless you gain some kind of advantage which shouldn't of been (offside goal or a penalty that wasn't for example).
Anywho, what I was referring to was the 'ghost goal', Luis Garcia in the semi final. And that penalty shoot out in the final was so poorly reffed. Dudek was way infront of his line before the ball had even been taken. Was a total joke.



Goal, smallest man on the pitch. SMH.

Brother Leon 21-04-2013 03:29 PM
Oh dear. Poor defending.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:30 PM
It pisses me off still how people call Inter Milan lucky the year they won the Champions League under Jose Mourinho, that team played well defensively but had the counter attacking ability which saw them through to the end.

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfan1991 (Post 5946914)
It pisses me off still how people call Inter Milan lucky the year they won the Champions League under Jose Mourinho, that team played well defensively but had the counter attacking ability which saw them through to the end.
One of the greatest sides I've ever witnessed personally. How Bayern dominated that final but Inter had a marvellous attack. Destroying a prime Barca at home then holding out with 10 men thanks to that tw@t Busquets.

Incredible centre back partnership of Lucio and Samuel also.

Ironic I mention Garcia's goal just before Reina's fumble. :hugesmile:

Jesus. 21-04-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfan1991 (Post 5946908)
You got the results, fair play I would take any win even if my team did not play at their best and I am sure you feel the same about Liverpool?

United got called lucky by Chelsea fans in 08 because of winning on penalties in Moscow, but it was OK for them to win it on penalties last year vs Bayern Munich.
I just don't know where we got lucky in our run? We destroyed Leverkusen, should have been 3/4 up against Juve in the first leg, but completely controlled the away leg, and the Chelsea game was just a couple of tense/nervous occasions. We didn't get luck along the way. Everything we got that year, we absolutely earned.

Even the so-called "ghost goal", that the media/idiots love to go on about is a bit disingenuous, as the ref had said if it hadn't have been a goal then his only option was to award us a penalty and send Cech off for the foul on Baros.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946917)
One of the greatest sides I've ever witnessed personally. How Bayern dominated that final but Inter had a marvellous attack. Destroying a prime Barca at home then holding out with 10 men thanks to that tw@t Busquets.

Incredible centre back partnership of Lucio and Samuel also.

Ironic I mention Garcia's goal just before Reina's fumble. :hugesmile:
I agree and I am bias because Inter have been my favourite Italian team since the Zanetti/Ronaldo/Vieri/Crespo/Materrazi days etc:D.

Jesus. 21-04-2013 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946911)



Goal, smallest man on the pitch. SMH.
Oscar is 5'11, and is nowhere near the smallest man on the pitch.

Still bad defending though.

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfan1991 (Post 5946923)
I agree and I am bias because Inter have been my favourite Italian team since the Zanetti/Ronaldo/Vieri/Crespo/Materrazi days etc:D.
Still think that had Mourinho stayed they could of dominated Europe. Hopefully would of out done Barca again.

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:37 PM
Too ****ed financially to keep Mou/those players

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946927)
Still think that had Mourinho stayed they could of dominated Europe. Hopefully would of out done Barca again.
They are on a decline due to finances:(.

Have Chelsea finally turned up vs Liverpool btw? The Kop seem to be a bogey side for them.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946930)
Too ****ed financially to keep Mou/those players
And I cannot stand AC Milan, vile club and because of that hideous man Silvio Berlusconi:bored:.

I respect their history, prestige, fanbase and glamour etc though!

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfan1991 (Post 5946931)
They are on a decline due to finances:(.

Have Chelsea finally turned up vs Liverpool btw? The Kop seem to be a bogey side for them.
Neither side is amazing. Chelsea have just grabbed a goal.

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946930)
Too ****ed financially to keep Mou/those players
You could both have a point there. However, they'd of won more under Mourinho thus meaning more funds. But, probably yeah, the financial clout still wouldn't of been enough. Doesn't help with money grabbers like Sneijder.

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:40 PM
I cannot stand every time Chelsea get a new manager they're immediately to blame when it's all about Roman and JT, mainly

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:42 PM
I like too many Italian teams, Fiorentina, Napoli, Inter, Roma, Juve, probably in that order

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946936)
I cannot stand every time Chelsea get a new manager they're immediately to blame when it's all about Roman and JT, mainly
I agree and no-one has criticised Lampard for how he treated AVB when it was publically outed in the papers.

The players have too much power there and the revolving door of Managers does not help either.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946940)
I like too many Italian teams, Fiorentina, Napoli, Inter, Roma, Juve, probably in that order
Udinese, Parma or Lazio?

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946936)
I cannot stand every time Chelsea get a new manager they're immediately to blame when it's all about Roman and JT, mainly
Roman will smugly point to the fact they've still won trophies. However, I don't look at it that way personally.

I still find the Ranieri sacking really unfair. Roman will point to the glory he got with Jose but, Ranieri with a bunch of new players that needed time to gel got them to second spot in the league. Second behind a team that finished unbeaten. And the semi-finals of the Champions League when I believe they had some injury problems. Remember third choice keeper (think he was third choice at that time) Ambrosio playing.

And sacking Ancelotti the day after he sees United win a record 19th title due to longevity.

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:46 PM
Ancelotti is probably the biggest travesty

..and probably the next Madrid manager if Jose leaves

MTVN 21-04-2013 03:47 PM
The worst one was getting rid of Big Phil Scolari

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:48 PM
:joker: and his coaching team who all had massive tashes

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:49 PM
The way they treated Carlo was appaling and I didn't like the way they turned on AVB either, when some of their own players were up to no good and had a scapegoat because their egos got out of control.

Most Liverpool players want Andy Carroll sold, but does anyone think they should give him a second chance? He is very physical and look at his United performance, so they could do with a different style up front to compliment Suarez (if he stays), more firepower is needed for them too of course.

Locke. 21-04-2013 03:49 PM
So poor, most of them look like they don't give a ****. Even at his lowest last season Henderson didn't play this crap.

Sturridge is needed right now.

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 5946954)
The worst one was getting rid of Big Phil Scolari
Yeah, I was thinking about him. All of them have been rather harsh sackings when you look at it. Avram Grant even. I know he was only interim but he did a good job. Took over a team that aren't his players and gets them to second and loses a Champions League final on penalties.

Roman should just take charge.

I heard from a reporter ages back the only manager he'd give full control to is Pep Guardiola. Laughable.

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Originally Posted by bbfan1991 (Post 5946958)
Most Liverpool players want Andy Carroll sold, but does anyone think they should give him a second chance? He is very physical and look at his United performance, so they could do with a different style up front to compliment Suarez (if he stays), more firepower is needed for them too of course.
I'd give him a chance personally. Only because of that ridiculous amount spent on him. With Brenton's way of player though, big Andy could be on his way.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:51 PM
I wonder what will happen with Cristiano Ronaldo if Mourinho leaves, the Portugese lot get a hostile reception at Madrid sometimes because obviously the Spanish clique there have too much power:suspect:.

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 03:51 PM
AVB getting the blame for trying to fade out Terry, Cole, Lampard when that was the remit given to him was a load of ****, treated way too harshly

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946962)
Yeah, I was thinking about him. All of them have been rather harsh sackings when you look at it. Avram Grant even. I know he was only interim but he did a good job. Took over a team that aren't his players and gets them to second and loses a Champions League final on penalties.

Roman should just take charge.

I heard from a reporter ages back the only manager he'd give full control to is Pep Guardiola. Laughable.
Yes them two too. Chelsea are a joke and Roman Abramovich is such an impatient man trying to get his input in the footballing decisions.

Roman is now a father for the seventh time, his wife is pretty too I must add judging by the pictures in the paper;).

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946967)
AVB getting the blame for trying to fade out Terry, Cole, Lampard when that was the remit given to him was a load of ****, treated way too harshly
And Lampard is still set to be let go this summer. :joker:

bbfan, hinting at Ronaldo back to United? I wish. :(

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryan57 (Post 5946970)
And Lampard is still set to be let go this summer. :joker:

bbfan, hinting at Ronaldo back to United? I wish. :(
I do hope that CR7 comes back to United before he retires, he was adored at United and he was so happy there more than he is at Madrid I think now he has seen that it is not all a bed of roses there.

When I read of what he does for charity etc it does make me think how sometimes he is unfairly judged as a person, if people dislike him as a footballer then fair enough but in interviews I have seen etc he seems nice enough to me.

Ryan57 21-04-2013 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfan1991 (Post 5946974)
I do hope that CR7 comes back to United before he retires, he was adored at United and he was so happy there more than he is at Madrid I think now he has seen that it is not all a bed of roses there.

When I read of what he does for charity etc it does make me think how sometimes he is unfairly judged as a person, if people dislike him as a footballer then fair enough but in interviews I have seen etc he seems nice enough to me.
Yeah, totally different off the pitch. I still think his ego came from all the people saying he was a one trick pony and Fergie should get rid. Papers deeming a 19 year old (18 when we signed him but soon turned 19) a flop. :joker:

And of course the World Cup fiasco.

Also just checked out Roman's wife, not half bad.

Nobody can compare to Irina when it comes to Russian women though, for me.

Big picture.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 04:04 PM
Liverpool close there, they have started well in the second half.

King Gizzard 21-04-2013 04:04 PM
javi garcia's >>>

http://i.imgur.com/hOHd4Kd.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tTKIeIN.jpg

Ryan57 21-04-2013 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 5946990)
Chris Smalling's >

http://chicago.barstoolsports.com/wp...o/sam/sam1.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh...hhbo1_1280.jpg

Yes, that's right, Chris Smalling's.

bbfan1991 21-04-2013 04:07 PM
Mmm:blush:.


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