They know that


Freedom is far better

Valid Points LT

I'm happy with Scotland having more say in Westminster, which would allow the discussions of nuclear weapons be brought up. I think to leave UK based on that is absurd. There have been so a many great things THe Uk have done together and to break away from it just hinders people in Scotland's opportunities, businesses, security.

And artista why are you so struck on getting rid of scotland?

What things have the "UK" done together that have been great?

Worked together in wars, helped other countries out with aid etc.

I don't see why people would want to leave, all I see it as over patriotics that feel the need to prove themselves to be Scottish.

I am voting no because it's the safer and better choice for my future and my families future, the yes campaign cannot guarantee what they are promising and when it fails there're is no going back and Scotland will be screwed.

I am not here for leaving a union that has been together since 1707 and something I have grown up with due to there being nukes in the country, which LOTS of countries have.

Oil will run out, then what Scotland? Cry to England, Wales and Nortthern Ireland for help? NO CHANCE.

Because its not getting rid of it
it means Freedom for the Scottish.
and for me it kills off over 40 Labour MP's

I hate that word freedom, it's not William Wallace days ffs.

People of Scotland are FREE. Scotland is it's own country, it just has a secure unit within the United Kingdom, why ruin that?

It will not.


It will become a Great Nation
and the Queen can say nothing about it
as its not her remit

Worked together in wars, helped other countries out with aid etc.


and being our own country means we cant do that? :conf:

you are just arguing that change is bad because it means something new

We had the union foisted upon us by deceit, we have a government we dont elect making decisions for us. We are part of a union with a country 10 times larger who govern us

Dont fear change, change is what makes things

Scotland IS it's own country, regardless if it's part of the UK or not. But no we wouldn't be able to do those things on the same scale. Scotland wouldn't have a strong defence.

Scotkand will have more powers within Westminster, which both the no campaign plus David Cameron etc are agreeing on.

I'm not a bitter scot who feels overshadowed by England, I embrace the fact we have friends neighbours and a security.

Change is also what breaks things, and I'm not here to take the risk because we need to think about the FUTURE, even when we are all long gone. Staying part if the uk us better for our businesses, our opportunities, our security.

Why take the risk, when we are being told we will have more power in Westminster?

The yes campaign saying we can keep the pound, their idea of independence very independent then is it. If they want to cling into the Currency of the UK :hehe:

the Suns political ed just said on LBC

Cameron
Clegg
Miliband

will be gone by Christmas if its a YES next week

He says NO is in total disarray

Do you think there are any guarantees when it comes to staying in the UK, either? WHY do you think it's the "safer" choice for the future of your family? This suggests that the UK as it is is still strong and stable. It is not, it is broken, the pot is running dry and the status quo is just to desperately try to keep everything the same with false promises and false finances. Things simply CANNOT "continue as they are", in one way or another, there WILL be drastic changes that affect all of us.

With that in mind: would you rather be in a small country with very decent resources per-head and a strong sense of fairness and community (Independent Scotland) OR would you rather be part of a union that will protect one city (London) AT ALL COSTS and will bleed Scotland dry to do so? You talk about risks and safety but you don't seem to have given any real thought to the risks of being IN the union. You think that a vote for "no" is a vote for "no change", that things will just trundle along fine and stay comfortable and the same as ever. Look at the figures. This is simply impossible.

If scotland was independent, I'd strongly consider moving there when I grow older. The two main parties (SNP & Labour) both being left and socialist parties is just music to my ears. They are a country that has it right! :)

Me too actually.

I do still hope for a no vote myself but I do understand why the Scots are tempted and may yet actually vote for independence.

I also believe the UK would be a stronger place with Scotland still there in it but I also do believe that Scotland could be a really successful Nation with independence in its own right.

I have family in Scotland,from Inverness down to Jedburgh and even a few of them, originally being committed as no to independence now are going to vote yes.

It is amazing how things have turned the last 2 weeks.

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-329x437.jpg


Good

What happens if things don't work out, will we see a migration of Scots to England & Wales?

I feel unhappy about them parting company but if that is their destiny, I'll support them.
Yes, I'll continue to buy haggis, shortbread, black pudding, white pudding, rare Scottish beef, woollies, tartan, single malt whiskey. I'll continue to feel proud of Scottish inventions like TV, bicycles, telephones, steam engines, trout fishing, the bagpipes, Kilts, throwing the caber, Robert Burns, etc.

Darling and Brown got the UK into the mess it is now by taking on the debts of the banks. now both are trying to tell scots what is the right thing to do fiscally?

you could not make it up


smh

I dont care either way to be honest and im the only Englishman in my household the rest being Scottish.
Wave goodbye to their free prescriptions,free university's and free care homes and say hello to border controls,the cost of setting up their own passports,currency and trade agreements.

It makes no difference to me but it does worry me that the afore mentioned issues have not even started to be resolved or even talked about much.
This has a good chance of being carried forward on nothing but a wave of nationalistic fervour which seems more than a little naive.

The yes camp is riding a wave of pride which is very nice but what happens when the waves die down and the tide goes out?

To think that the Scottish government has not thought about those things is pretty bizarre - did you even have a cursory look at the white paper? You are just regurgitating fear dogma from the Daily Mail

The Scottish government position is unequivocal:

There are no circumstances in which the Scottish government would countenance any measure being taken that jeopardised the ability of citizens across the rUK [rest of the UK] and Ireland to move freely across the borders as they are presently able to do. It is for this reason that following independence Scotland will remain part of the Common Travel Area (CTA).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-18364699

http://scotreferendum.com/reports/sc...dent-scotland/

The truth is, there will be uncertainties were Scotland to be independent, not just for the Scots but also for the English,Welsh and those in Northern Ireland too.
The futures of all those Nations needs to be addressed if the Scots vote 'yes'.

However, Wales and Scotland particularly have had a pretty bad deal within the UK from successive govts.of both parties and even moreso from this coalition disaster we have had for the last 4+ years.

Fear of the unknown should not be barrier to taking the challenge.
The rest of Europe,other Nations too along with the USA would want Scotland to succeed if it said 'yes'.
I also firmly believe it would be in England's,Wales and N.Ireland's interests too to support and ensure the stability of Scotland being so close a neighbour.

The only person talking sense for me at present is Alex Salmond on this,he knows there are uncertainties and challenges ahead but he feels Scotland,no matter what govt. it chooses for itself can rise to that challenge.

All we hear from the no camp, is as he says negative statements and threat after threat.
I heard today that if the Scots vote yes, then in 2016 the Scots MPs elected to Westminster would be gone and there would have to be another election.
Nonsense, that will depend on the result of the 2015 election anyway.

If as the polls suggest,Labour were to win say a 40 overall majority,which is the present guide from the polls.
No further election would in fact be necessary,losing the Scots seats would reduce the Westminster parliament to 591 seats, If Labour had a 40 overall majority,losing the likely 42 Scottish MPs they had would still leave them with an overall majority
in double figures.
Likewise if the Conservative party scraped in by say a 5 to 10 overall majority then again no new election would be necessary as that overall majority would rise in Westminster.

Instead of harping on about all the negatives and things that may need to happen, the 'no' campaign should be spelling out exactly in clear detail all the new powers Scotland would actually get.
While similar,there are 3 varying degees of transfers of power on the table, now which one will 100% be given to the Scots,that we don't know as the 'no' campaign will not spell out the full detail..

I think Alex Salmond is well aware that Westminster 'will' have to work closely with an independent Scotland,no more walking over the Scots by Westminster but dealing on an equal basis with them.

I know this post appears to favour independence and maybe I have come round to thinking Scotland could do better on its own.
My view now however stems from what I believe has been a disastrous and negative 'no' campaign,that still appears to take the Scots for granted by talking 'at' them and not 'to' them.

The way for Westminster to help ensure financial stability for all is to say what they will likely be forced to say if Scotland votes 'yes' and that is, yes Scotland can operate the pound still.
It would be folly for Westminster to refuse and obstruct an independent Scotland doing so,that would cause massive problems for the citizens of the remaning original UK countries.

On that point,I really feel Alex Salmond has won the day and with the EU likely to do all it can to support an independent Scotland,it may well be that it is the bumbling, incompetent politicians we have been left with, that have the greater struggle after a 'yes' result..

Joey, for people like us that have Scottish and English parents but live in England what do we do about our passports if Scotland gets Independence? Sorry if it's a stupid question but do we leave them as they are or can we claim a Scottish Passport or something?

I'd imagine you could choose either an English or Scottish passport, a friend of mine has Irish parents but he was born and spent most of his life in England but he has an Irish passport :shrug:

Ah right thanks Niamh. Probably best to just leave it for now lol.

Niamh.. My pro- independence views have been met several times with "urgh! I take it you've never been to Ireland"

I haven't actually ever been to Ireland.. Is it really that bad? Do you look at the UK longingly and wish you were part of us? Serious question.

No way. Sure we've had issues with the banks and bail outs and that but we're clawing our way back again and getting on top of things. Things have improved majorly in the last 12 months in regards to work etc.

What do they mean by that statement anyway, Have you ever been to Ireland? Makes us sound like we're a third world country or something :laugh:

Anyway, just because one country might be doing better than another doesn't mean you want to switch nationalities lol If Germany is doing better than England would the English all want to become German? :think: