"anyway since ASDA would never independently 'ALLOW'"

Of course ,
They are a growing Industry

Arista we're talking about the prosperity, health and happiness of the employees not the businesses so the figures and numbers are really irrelevant. No one is disputing that a company can thrive whilst treating their boots-on-the-ground staff like dirt. Pretty much every single one of the "big companies" do it. ASDA is hardly a glowing example. There's a large ASDA a few minutes walk from my shop, meaning that I have quite a few ASDA employees who I see and talk to most days. They generally express feeling abused, powerless and anxious in their jobs. Maybe it works fine for ASDA's profit margins but that's entirely irrelevant.

Also, it's not just their minimum wage staff. As an anecdote, about a year ago I had a run-in in that ASDA with one of the duty managers. It was over something petty, but it was handled very badly, as far as I can tell based purely on bad policy. I felt that the woman was dismissive and rude, to be honest. About a month later, I was getting a coffee at the café near my work (part of a small independent chain in the local area) and the same woman was working there as a manager. She actually talked to me and apologised, said that the incident had actually lead to her having a massive disagreement with her bosses (about how much their hands are tied basically) and eventually deciding to leave, which she said was the best decision she had ever made. She looked happy, relaxed and upbeat in her new job. When I encountered her at ASDA she looked tired, stressed and irritable. THAT is the difference. People should be able to enjoy their work, it should not be endless pressure and stress UNLESS the pay being offered reflects taking on that level of stress. Which in these sorts of roles, it never does.

We're in a sad situation at the moment where people feel "lucky" to "have any job" and don't feel confident that they can find another if they leave their current one. So upper management can treat people absolutely abysmally, slowly eroding the perks, adding more work and more pressure without increasing pay, and most will just take it on the chin, rather than walking out the door, which would often be totally justified.

How does language like this relate to a discussion about the relevance of unions, are those in unions slackers or grafters?

'During the 1860s, punitive provisions were extended by judicial interpretation, leading to the imprisonment of union officials who led strikes or issued verbal calls challenging an employer's hiring practices such as only using non-union workers. A revised Master and Servant Act was passed in 1867, which supposedly limited imprisonment to "aggravated" breaches of contract (where injury to persons or property was likely to result), but it was clear that only workers were subject to its provisions. Imprisonment, even for non-aggravated breaches of contract, continued when working people failed to comply with court orders for specific performance or for non-payment of monetary damages and fines.[1]

Between 1858 and 1875 on average 10,000 prosecutions a year took place under the Act in Britain. Ernest Jones, a barrister, estimated that, "[I]n one year alone, 1864, the last return given, under the Master and Servants Act, 10,246 working men were imprisoned at the suit of their masters — not one master at the suit of the men!"[2] There is some evidence, however, that this may not universally have been the case; at least one scholar has shown that local courts enforced causes of action in the early-to-mid-19th century against masters as well, in at least some instances, albeit in Canada'

'Summary of the Working Time Directive (Limitation) Bill 2015-16

A Bill to limit the application of the EU Working Time Directive; and for connected purposes.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_and_Servant_Act

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/...imitation.html

A quick look at bills before parliament and you wonder, are the erosion of the unions and government proposals signaling a return to the 19th century?

Why don't you go and fight for the human rights of Peter Sutcliffe and his kind, so that they can live the rest of his lives with a roof over their heads, no wories about rent, bills, having to go out to work or to feed and clothe themselves, all paid for by the British taxpayer.

While pensioners who have paid into the system all their lives have to pay over the odds for a care home.

That's the sort of priority's the looney left stand for, the human rights of monsters.

That money saved by putting them down could come in handy and most sane humans would be happy to see them exicuted.

"They generally express feeling abused, powerless and anxious in their jobs."


Yes its a Tough Market place.

But those people / workers
are the ones that will not get
abused with The Manager dealing with them
under new system.


Stay Positive.

The Manager can replace Corrupt unions

All these posts should have been in my JC thread
not the Syria thread

There is not staff that could move all these now


i am sorry.

I don't know where you get your assumptions from Arista. Its not about being positive or negative, its not about people who work hard or those who don't. Its about every individuals right to be treated with respect, dignity and fairness. In today's working environment it is becoming less and less the norm.

Anyway, this thread has now gone ridiculously off topic :laugh:

"every individuals right to be treated with respect, "


So long they are not creating a problem
I agree with you.

all Data goes into a Central Computer

Eventually
Robots will serve you.
(every 2 robots will have "one" human
back up)
Once fully tested in the Far East
we will bring the Next Phase in.

Self Service Tills will be for the Young
and any old that are relaxed