Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10470329)

They are like robots.
It's like they are talking about what they bought at a store.

There's no passion, no emotion.
Even talking about things they say he did, he didn't like.

Even from the Mother of one so far.
All that seems to have upset them is that Michael Jackson had stopped contacting them much.

As for the underwear blood issue.
He went to get them, he says, saw blood on them and just threw them away..
Not worrying about his blood on them.

Oh come on, for goodness sake, as a child if I was bleeding even from a cut, I'd have near panicked.
I'd certainly have if blood was on my underwear.
I'd have gone straight to my parents.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470332)

Well if whatever they say happened surely he wouldn't have his pants on,and whats this they are actually at the funeral !!!

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470327)

So they WERE adults when they testified the second time. and why didn't he tell his mom when she asked him he was a grown up then.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10470345)

James didn't testify a second time, only Wade.


This second part is very powerful, I f8nd them both very believable

Originally Posted by UserSince2005 (Post 10470367)

This documentary is actually so important. This is what molestation looks like!

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470332)

Well if whatever they say happened surely he wouldn't have his pants on,and whats this they are actually at the funeral !!!

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10470370)

I may have come to actually have even less trust in what they are saying than I did last night.

What I will say there seems there has been a really cold emotionless relationship with at least one of the Mothers.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470369)

I was also abused as a kid , I would say not all experiances are the same,mine was not as bad as some but bad enough for me to tell someone straight away.the person in question eventually went to jail, that is how it affected me,I had to tell someone

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 10470380)

Yeah anything that traumatic I agree you'd tell someone or at least show warning signs, but as you say every experience is different. But non of their stories add up.

I haven't watched it yet ,but the graphic details of the abuse sounds dodgy to me . Why is it talked about in that way. And the business about blood that I'm hearing sounds stupid , surely you'd tell someone .

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470382)

I was 9 Goldheart and I told my brother on the same day it happened,so to leave it for 2 decades is strange to me,I don't think there is any need for the graphic details either .

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10470388)

With all due respect Kaz, people react differently and people waiting years to face child sexual abuse is quite common

Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 10469241)

Macaulay Culkin And Corey Feldman were also already famous Hollywood actors prior to meeting Michael, and perhaps had more consciously involved parents that weren’t as blinded or manipulated by MJ’s starpower. They weren’t plucked from obscurity and groomed like Michael’s accusers and their families. It seems likely that he would theoretically choose his victims based on who he believed he could get away with abusing.

Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 10469238)

There is simply not always going to be hard evidence in sexual abuse cases, especially those involving children. From the way it’s been described, Michael was extremely calculated in how he carried out the abuse. What other evidence could there possibly be other than the word of people who crossed paths with him? I’m sure he was smarter than to have child pornography laying around or have acts that occurred in his own home be recorded on camera. Although there was this particular instance of a housekeeper who testified against him, which rings very clear alarm bells:

Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 10469238)

But by all means believe what you want I guess.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10469229)

Cause it's a documentary about the 2 boys, not Jackson.

Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 10469226)

The “he missed his childhood” excuse people always use it completely bogus to me. My grandad didn’t have a childhood, he was beaten senseless by his father for the majority of his childhood life. Yet, he knew how to function as an adult and didn’t allow kids to share his bed.

If MJ was a regular member of society, living down your road, and had the bleached skin, ever-thinning nose and publicly stated that he saw no issues with hanging around with children on their own/having sleepovers in the same bed (and that’s before even going into the actual child molestation accusations), he’d be absolutely lambasted. The fact is, people don’t want to let go of the legacy he brought with his music.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 10470380)

Yeah anything that traumatic I agree you'd tell someone or at least show warning signs, but as you say every experience is different. But non of their stories add up.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470389)

Apparently so and that is their way I guess,I just found I had to tell someone and quick and lucky that I did.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10469235)

And lets face it sherif, the BBC wouldn't pull his songs if there wasn't an ounce of truth in these claims.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10470382)

I was 9 Goldheart and I told my brother on the same day it happened,so to leave it for 2 decades is strange to me,I don't think there is any need for the graphic details either .

Originally Posted by UserSince2005 (Post 10470408)

I was 9-12 he was 16-19, I though we had something special. I didn’t want to tell anyone. I wouldn’t say I loved him but I guess our friendship was special over our years together. Wasn’t until I grew up I realised what a freak he was.
Two completely different experiences.

Originally Posted by UserSince2005 (Post 10470401)

It’s not traumatic to be groomed. That’s the whole point of being groomed. Once you understand that their stories add up