Great points.

Yes they're called the conservative party ...

this x 1000000
''I could have understood it more had she still been a serving PM or just retired,no sorry that should be just been sacked by her party.
However, after over 20 years on from being PM, for goodness sake, this is ridiculous and even more so in these economic times.''

Talk about rubbing salt in the wounds, found the money for this disgusting show of conspicuous consumption ok I see?... This will be the turning point for the UK on many levels.

Nicely put. (pains me to say so though.:joker:)

It seems the only people allowed to have a social conscience are 'loony' lefties and benefit claimants? the ones who are usually crowing at the 'hand wringers' have the boot on the other foot today... :joker:
There are lot's of 'bleeding hearts' here, but I doubt that in some cases it is for the greater good.

The reason this demonstration is going to happen is because tax payers money is being spent on this woman's funeral when she didn't even request it. She is being shoved in our face like some God by practically every media organisation and for those who felt the brunt of her policies and legacy, and who are already experiencing difficult financial times at the hands of this government who are keeping Thatcherism well and truly alive, the fact that their money is being spent funding the funeral of a former Prime Minister who caused their problems is rubbing salt into the wounds and is absolutely disgraceful. That's why the demonstrations will be happening, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's a democratic right and I don't see why people should just have to put up and shut up when their much-needed money is being spent on what is essentially one big ass-kissing party for Thatcherites. The demonstrations are anti tax payer funded funerals and anti Thatcherism (not her, her ideology) - I don't see what's wrong with that, peaceful demonstrations are and should be allowed to take place and I really don't see how her family will care that much, as I said before I think they'll have come to expect this for many years (and I do hope nobody is surprised by what's happening, these kind of things have been in the pipeline for decades) and their focus will be on the funeral, not what's going on outside of it. Any real trouble will occur when the police take it into their hands and attempt to curb people's civil liberties, and you can bet your bottom dollar that it'll be spun into a hate campaign against those demonstrating. A sorry state of affairs for democracy.

I'm surprised at the name calling that has gone on in at least two of your posts, I find it very unnecessary, this thread has some excellent well written and well thought out posts from both sides, I find ridiculing people for their thoughts by name calling incredibly immature.

It's almost like some think people want to protest or dislike Thatcher just for the sake of it. That 'She's dead now so just forget everything that happened' attitude.

Exactly, we can't draw a line under the past so neatly, the domino rally she set up is still going knocking everyone up and down the country over.
Pulling yourself up from the bootstraps is the easy part, it is treading water with those boots on that's the hard part now.
One positive to be gained here is some younger voters are looking at her policies and seeing for the first time how reminiscent they are of todays austerity measures....
Do they want this future for their children, is there anything they can do to change the failures of the past being repeated and resigning more to the scrapheap?

I just think it's stupid to do anything now, she's dead. Why not do any of this when she was alive? Any potentially noble motivations are overshadowed by the fact that the outcy is basically mocking a grieving family. That's the only outcome here.

I'm not even going to call what's happening a protest, it's an insult to actual meaningful protests.

I've not called anyone names, stop trying to make out I'm saying something I'm not. The movement that's happened after Thatcher's death is pointless and petty. That's the long and short of it.

There were plenty of riots and protests whilst she was alive dezzy, Brixton... poll tax.. miners... anti war ...
The government are making a mockery of the whole of England with this funeral.
It is a protest and as this charade is publicly funded there is every right for the public to have their say!

First of these videos I've actually watched, interesting to hear some of the reasonings behind the celebrations...that's not really being reported anywhere else. Think people have to keep an open mind on what's going on, there's two sides to every story.

And again... More 'strivers' not 'skivers' peacefully protesting, there is a feeling of liberation there, some feel the Thatcher legacy was an oppressive regime that has filtered down and is still corrupting and polluting society today...
The sense of relief can be felt.

Absolutely. This is what I'm not understanding, some people seem to think that because she's dead that's it, time to move on, as if her ideology isn't still prevalent today when it is. She's the cause of this individualistic, selfish, capitalist, greedy, unjust, austerity driven state ridden with inequality, she changed the face of British politics and while I don't agree with those celebrating her death as if it's now over, I don't agree with not celebrating her death as if it's now over too...if that makes sense. It should be more of a protest about everything she stood for that still exists today, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean those kind of demonstrations have been happening for years since she left office but not on such a large scale, the only reason her ideology has been brought to the fore again is because she's died, that's just inevitable. Much like how when Michael Jackson died suddenly twenty-odd songs of his ended up in the chart, it just brings issues to people's attention on a much larger scale again. This was always going to happen when she passed away, anyone that didn't expect it has been living under a rock. Her family, if anyone, would've expected this more than anything and comes to terms with it decades ago, it comes with the territory and they'll have heard so many awful things about her over the years - as I said earlier, she was Margaret Thatcher, one of this country's most divisive political figures, not Betty from down the road.

I agree with you, except it just isn't going to be like that. Of course, people will be protesting for the 'right' reasons, however some not.

I just think such celebrations are counter productive, all it will do is hinder anything they're trying to achieve since it gives the opposition the moral high ground. The celebrations will always make people look like inbred yobs, it's not mature, clever or justified and it just makes people look worse then the people they're hating.

Premier League ‏@EPLStuff 11m
Liverpool fans singing, "We're all having a party 'cos Maggie Thatcher's dead" at the Madejski Stadium. Reading fans respond with boos.

John Brewin ‏@JohnBrewinESPN 7m

Liverpool fans making their sentiments on Thatcher clear and heading for the front pages too, probably. Not that they will care.

Djimi ‏@DjimiTraore 11m

Hahahaha Liverpool fans doing the conga for Thatcher

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Meltdown on Twitter at the moment :joker:. Dad is there. Hopefully he's recorded some of it :devil:

Oh and that twat organising a 'demonstration' on the route of her funeral? Sorry but if that isn't completely disrespectful, I don't know what is. Funerals are the day where the living mourne their loved one, and it's hard enough to get through as it is.

I have to disagree I think, on the subject of the 'celebrations' that have so far happened like I posted in that video above, a lot of the signs were anti-austerity and anti-capitalist ones so that's still relevant to her legacy, and on the subject of the demonstrations at the funeral, like I said earlier, the reason they'll be happening is because of this disgusting tax-payer funded funeral (that she didn't even request) rubbing salt into the wounds of the people and communities she destroyed the most who are already experiencing financial difficulties at the hands of this government who are continuing her legacy, and they'll only turn into anything but peaceful demonstrations if and when the police decide to get involved and curb people's civil liberties. It won't be reported that way of course, it'll be that the demonstrators kicked off and everyone will just lap it up and the real point of the demonstrations will be totally lost behind a furore of calculated outrage from the right-wing press.

Oh exactly, the one she didn't request, yet is still being used as the cause over networking sites. And I wasn't saying that the above videos don't show that, but the fact is that there will be worse 'demonstrations' by certain groups. And I still think that, on the day of her funeral, these protests just shouldn't happen.

Yeah it's no different to the Westboro Baptist Church picketing a funeral really. I can't see how you can justify it.

Her death has truly brought out the worst in people. Like I've always said, you can tell more about a person on how they treat their inferiors and their enemies than how they treat their equals.

The only thing the behavior of people recently tells me is that people are as bad as the people they hate and that they haven't learned from the past.

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It's like seeing those Anti-gay communities turning up to a funeral (and no I am not comparing the actual situation or people involved, my point is is that it's a day where the dead should be allowed to be given a decent send off by family and friends).

Even when it has been funded in part by the people she trampled on throughout her time as PM? I'd have a lot more sympathy if it wasn't, but as it is, I think they've brought it on themselves. Funding the funeral of a woman who destroyed these people's communities with their own money is just provocative.

When you step into politics, this is what you open yourself up to, and she more than anyone knew that and embraced that, I raised the point the other day but someone on Question Time said that if she knew people weren't protesting and she hadn't divided people again, she'd be very disappointed. You cannot rid people of their right to protest, if this were a normal old lady it could be seen differently potentially, but it's not, it's Thatcher, and so long as the demonstration remains relatively respectful and focused on being anti-everything she stood for and not poking fun at her in front of her relatives, I think it'll be fine. Like I said though, if the latter does happen I expect it'll be because the police have provoked it, if they leave them be there'll be no excuses if it turns into anything but a demonstration.