Yes marney I told you about Long Larton being a Cat A prison or has your short term memory disappeared?

How about this one then from The Sun:

Funny that eh?

Dont believe me?

Try this link then, read it all,

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ack-fears.html

It doesnt mention Long Larton, now why is that?

Could the Sun have possibly made a mistake mentioning it?

Terry's (condescending) Tip of the Day: Always check your info from more than one source ;)

I suggest you read what was written in respect of Mifletz post to which I replied, discussing the matter of 'dead weight' ..... you will see there is no contradiction. What I did do was offer up my own thoughts on whether there is a difference between the weight of a dead body, and the weight of an alive but unconscious person. Mifletz suggested there was a substantial difference in these weights - and my comment was worded quite clearly, in a manner which not only did I question if that was the case, I also mitigated my own uncertaintly by way of an explanation as to why I thought what I did. Try reading, digesting and at least try to understand context before criticising.

If you didn't find your comment amusing, then why add in this smiley
-----> :hugesmile: - you used it immediately after the comment in question. That smiley represents 'big grin'. Most big grins indicate amusement. What on earth else was this smiley meant to represent?

And no, still you are unable to master the simple art of hitting the quote button.

Call me a tad suspicious - but given that you can't master a single quote Marney - it's quite strange that you mastered a multi quote - but even several posts after multi quoting, you seem unable to grasp a single quote?. ;)

Did you slip up there - give yourself away a little bit! ;)

*Builds another brick wall and offers bandages for head*

The other wall has become damaged beyond repair, having had to be used with alarming frequency.

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HM Prison Long Lartin is a Category A men's prison, located in the village of South Littleton (near Evesham) in Worcestershire, England. Long Lartin Prison




Evesham Journal


Pershore News
Jo Yeates murder accused on suicide watch at Long Lartin Have they got it wrong to.
11:02am Thursday 27th January 2011

You two seem to be the only two dominating this site NEVER MIND GOOD LUCK.

Thank you for a balanced, thoughtful and informative post with useful links.

[Absolutely!
i'm surprised that it's possible for people not to be able imagine what it's like being arrested and incarcerated - and as you say above 1 in 5 of those so treated are not guilty!

Being placed in custody and having all liberty removed as well as the stress of being accused of a crime and potentially being found guilty at trial even though you may be innocent is enough to affect the balance of even the sanest and most honest person's mind.[/QUOTE]
Indeed - I wonder why it's possible for people not to realise that - I would suggest that the more innocent are the more desperate
- not being believed despite pleading the truth ...
why do I seem to hear the baying of hounds? - I thought hunting had been made illegal? .....

The short answer is YES they got it wrong too.

The reason for that(the long answer) if you read the whole article you will see this:

You see some newspapers draw their feed(what they use to fill up on as news they dont report themselves) from other newspapers and the TV.

To further wipe your nose in it. The same source was used for this article

http://www.cotswoldjournal.co.uk/new...t_Long_Lartin/

Given that all three local newspapers(Evesham Journal, Pershore News and Cotswold Journal) are run from the same head office, as well as the Evesham News, Vale of Evesham News and the Broadway News.

I should imagine they simply use the same feeds and sources in the case of national news. Its a common policy to save money on local rags. It saves having 5 or 6 teams of investigative reporters.

Incidentally if you go back and look at the time and date the Sun article was published, and then the same for the article claiming he was being held in Long Larton it would show the Sun undermines its own article about Long Larton.

He was charged by police and held overnight in police custody, he appeared in the local magistrates court where he was then remanded in custody until 31 Jan, he was taken to Bristol initially, then transferred to Gloucester, the transfer to Gloucester being carried out at the same time as his second court appearance where bail was discussed.


DYLAC

Your welcome, am glad you found them informative.

Yeah I appreciate the hunting point, seems a lot of that happens on internet forums, something to do with the ability to vent regardless of knowledge or understanding.

Its a shame some people dont mull over the what ifs before posting vitriolic garbage.

Got it wrong have they !!!!


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...in-prison.html

Are you seriously so blinkered that you can't accept the Sun aren't able to even get their own story correct? The Sun publish 2 different articles on 2 different days both with differing information.

Shasown's link show's an article published in the Sun dated 26th Jan - which states that VT was moved from Bristol to Gloucester.

Your link here, shows the Sun publishing an article dated 27th Jan (a day later!!) stating he's still in Bristol. Please read this next part very carefully - the very same tabloid is reporting 2 very different things and is completely contradicting itself.

Article in the Mirror, dated 27th Jan. States he was moved from Bristol to Gloucester. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22878251/

Article in the Metro, run from info from the Sun!! dated 26th Jan. States he was moved from Bristol to Gloucester. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/853763-v...l-attack-fears

Article on small world news - also run on info from the Sun... dated 26th Jan. States he was moved from Bristol to Gloucester, even mentions jails are 30 miles away. http://swns.com/vincent-tabak-moved-...rs-260947.html

Is this finally sinking in yet? The Sun 'go back' on what they reported a day previous.

Thus, in reply to your comment, "Got it wrong have they" - Yes. Clearly the Sun have got it wrong and haven't got a clue what the left hand is doing from the right hand.

A point that Shausown made clear when they said the Sun were completely undermining their very own article in respect of Long Larton.

You're not really cut out for this detective lark are you!!

I am presuming thats a question by the way, we normally use question marks not exclamation marks to end questions. So here goes:

Just a little, to add a little more to what Pyramid posted.

Normal monitoring of prisoners is carried out every 30-60 minutes depending on the risk category, when prisoners are locked in cells.

"Suicide watch" is a generic, non official term for increased monitoring due to the risk of self harm.

The Sun state the prison officers overseeing his care are to check on him every 30 minutes.

Dont you think monitoring a prisoner every 30 minutes would allow him to commit suicide easily in the time available? I certainly do.

If i was monitoring a prisoner who it is thought is at risk of self harming or suicide I would check on them at intervals of no less than 10 minutes (that is at least 6 checks an hour).

My reasoning being if he was to hang himself by some improvised method it would take a couple of minutes to set himself up, then you have a few minutes where he slowly strangulates or bleeds out. All in all about 8-10 minutes or so, unless he really knew what he was doing.

Hey and guess what?

The Home Office agree with me!!! Not with The Ferking Sun

Thats why they issued a Prison Service Order to deal with Suicide Prevention and Self Harm Management. Its called PSO 2700.

And guess what, you can read it here

http://pso.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/ps...PSO_itself.htm

If that is too much for you to read you can cut out most of the crap and cut straight to the important bits, the annexes here:

http://pso.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/ps..._1-8.htm#Anx8g

Just one other point, all sorts of prisoners are routinely sent to Cat B prisons, all prison staff are trained to deal with Suicidal and self harming individuals, regardless of the category of prison they work at. So why would they send what is in essence a normal remand prisoner to a Cat A prison? Because of the high media interest?

Case list for Bristol Crown Court shows that Vincent Tabak is to appear via video link from HMP Longlartin for the preliminary hearing on Monday:


Not very good at this lark are you.

dont suppose you'd actually care to comment on the details of my post, the links provided that were in direct reply to your comment about the Sun tabloid getting it wrong?


Mmmm..... nah. I thought not.


See... I can quote stuff too from Court sittings. Better than that.... here's the link http://www.courtserve2.net/courtlist...T110131.02.htm

Sorry - what have 'they' got 'wrong' - ?
And who do you mean when you write 'they' ?
And - more importantly - how can anyone at all know what is 'right' or 'wrong' - in mostly any respect - at this stage?

I should probably add that I've a few friends who have been gravely misquoted - and therefore misrepresented - by the tabloids -
in fact their catch phrase is 'but that's NOT what I SAID'
:confused:

Given the snowy weather conditions at the time, is it conceiveable that the covered body was dragged there.....on a sledge?! Else why drop it off a mere 3 miles away? Whereas 3 miles is at the limit of one man hauling 165lbs on a sledge over snow-covered tarmac! Instead of looking for a car/van on the Clifton Bridge road, maybe the police should look footage of the bridge's snow-covered pedestrian pavement!

http://faveluke.com/Images/fred_pulling_sledweb.jpg

I wish I :hugesmile:was so perfect as you:hugesmile:again

Will Tabak be actually asked tomorrow: "How do you plead"?

If he says "Guilty, m'lud", what exactly happens?

If he says "Not Guilty, m'lud", what exactly happens?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/...06_228x251.jpg

If he was held at Bristol then Gloucester as a B category prisoner at what point and why did they did consider him to be A category. Makes you wonder if he or his Lawyers are going to fight this case.

Perhaps the police also found a receipt in VT's pocket, for the hire of some of these.....

http://www.eventstravel.net/img/act/45.png

After all, a 6'4" man, pulling a dead body along in a sledge is the most normal looking thing to see in Bristol, looks completely inconspicious. You sure you're not related to Marney!! I have my suspicions!


It's good to have an ambition in life, something to strive for Marney. ;)

Perfection is a very rare thing but it's touching that you seem to think I am perfect, what a lovely compliment! I suppose I should thank you but I won't bother. ;)

The ability to read what is written, to understand what is written however, isn't perfection. It is a fairly simple process for the majority of people - yet it seems one that continually eludes you - as you have proven repeatedly on this very thread.

You sound like a teacher with your consistent degrading comments on other peoples postings

People will be wondering if you are, especially with your consistent " Chris Jefferies is innocent" comments.

Surely you are too good to be wasting your time on these forums with such genius or are you especially on here to correct the masses, mistakes.

With my 'consistent degrading comments'? Consistent? Oh..... I see, you mean 'constant'. Deary me.

The way it works is simple Marney. If you want to come onto a very serious thread, being vitriolic, calling people trolls etc and do not a lot other than try to provoke reactions in other fms with your very own low grade brand of sarcasm, you have to learn that if you play with fire, you have to expect to get burnt. If you can't stand the heat and all that...... ;)

I believe Chris Jefferies is innocent - hardly makes me a teacher! There are thousands of others in the UK who will be thinking the same as me - do you wonder if they are all teachers too?

I'm here on this thread for sensible and mature discussion - your reason for being on this thread, is questionable.

I am however beginning to enjoy the challenge of trying to decipher some of your own posts, they do have a certain entertainment value to them - tedious although they may be at times.

I'm here on this thread for sensible and mature discussion. Really

Started to degrade mifletz postings now have we.
After all, a 6'4" man, pulling a dead body along in a sledge is the most normal looking thing to see in Bristol, looks completely inconspicious. You sure you're not related to Marney!! I have my suspicions!

No I do mean consistent, can you read a thesaurus, I thought you are supposed to be clever.

Glad you find my post entertaining

Yeah he will be informed of the actual charge he is accused of, whether its murder or manslaughter and asked how he pleads to the accusation. If he pleads not guilty the judge will set a date for trial, if both the defence and prosection lawyers agree that their cases can be prepared by then.

If he pleads guilty the judge will remand him into custody to await sentencing, and order both defence and prosecution to prepare statements.

Both the defence and prosecution teams will prepare statements for the judge to listen to in order to determine the sentence.

A statement of mitigation for the defence would explain why he committed the crime, the fact he is of otherwise good character etc, realises what he is done and is remorseful etc.

The prosecution generally makes a statement indicating what they and the police believe occurred and also play up the crime and how the person deserves to receive the maximum sentence etc. Though occassionally the CPS have asked for lesser sentences depending upon the motivation for the crime, the circumstances of the actual crime and co operation of the person.

Suggesting a theory that a body was dragged along Bristol on a sleigh (as Mifletz did) and my subsequent suggestion that maybe VT hired huskies for the job - is not degrading - it is exactly what it is: showing how ludicrious a suggestion I personally found it to be. I'm allowed to do that, it's my opinion.

Given some of your very own ludicrious posts, yes, I felt there was a meeting of minds between you and Mifletz - hardly an unusual phenomenon - people who share the same ideas. It's not a rare concept.

Glad you confirmed that I am consistent. Unlike your good self, who manages to offer up contradictions - (ie: the use of big grin smilies whilst commenting on a serious issue) - and when asked why - you fly off the handle, and rather than stop and think, "what would make them think that" and go back to review what you posted. I'll hazard a guess that you fail to do that as you may be too absorbed in trying to throw insults around to people.

So... now that we have all of that out of the way - I will reiterate what I said in my last reply to you Marney. Feel free to continue with your own brand of low grade sarcasm, and I'll be more than happy to joust with you - but puhhhlllleeezzzee.... stop with the pathetic whining - you came in with the tacky boots, don't blame me if the soles aren't thick enough to last the journey.

p.s. Chris Jefferies is innocent.