If you're protesting the funding part of things why not protest it before it happens? What's the point in protesting it when it happens? It'll be too late to stop the money being used up by then. There is nothing to be gained by protesting on the same day as the Funeral.

It's just going to cause more distress then necessary to her family.

The thing is, that just isn't her doing. Protest against the government for it, fine, but no doubt she's going to get even more criticism for something which she had no involvement in, on the day of her funeral which is just pointless. And I know that, as a political figure, you are open to all types of criticism, even from beyond the grave, but specifically choosing to round up others on the day of her funeral is pretty low for anybody. Hopefully, as you said, things remain strictly on anti-Thatcherism and not some chirade in which her family and relatives are subject to pointless hate on the day of her funeral.

How, if you are protesting against unfair practices how can you doing that be class as immoral?

You can't comment on this yet as the funeral has not yet happened...
look like inbred yobs?.... by having a reasoned and educated perception of political ideology and how it has shaped the sociological landscape since the 1980's?...

How do you feel Thatcher treated those she felt were her inferiors?..

Yes True

if they want peace then the arms dealer and the politcally incorrect carol should pay for it themselves, end of chat. instead the whole farce is being paid for by the society that thatcher said didnt even exist....meanwhile thousands freeze in poverty. this whole thing is a national disgrace.

Protesting funerals is low no matter the circumstances. She didn't even want a State Funeral so why make her relatives suffer on an already difficult day for something that the Government decided? It's just petty.

How Thatcher treated anyone is irrelevant to the point I'm making. If someone treats you bad and you choose to treat them the same way when the situation is reversed you become just as bad as them, worse in fact. I disliked her politics but there is nothing to be gained from celebrating her death, it's just a waste of time and energy.

I agree up to a point. no ecuse for abuse or rudeness etc however i think people can both voice their opinions in a respectful way without having to be totally silenced by the peer pressure and the ruling classes. something smart like the coffins of miners perhaps.

Bringing you tomorrow's front pages before everyone else..Brother Leon.

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Yes, very anti-policy looking poster there...

I just don't see the point in protesting on the same day, it'll obviously achieve nothing, I actually agree that a big funeral is a waste of money when Thatcher didn't want a big event and I'd support a protest that happened a few days before or something since it would have a (very slight chance) of affecting something. Protesting the funeral on the day it happens will achieve nothing and is just cruel.

Personally I am not comfortable with demonstrations on the day of the funeral where the funeral is taking place.
However,I defend the right for people to speak out and display their grievances this way either because of the Thatcher legacy and/or the obscene act of using taxpayers money for any part of this funeral.

It is said, by demonstrating it would cause more hurt to a grieving family who should be able to mourn their loved one on the day free from further problems being thrust at them.
Fine, they could have had that, with the same funeral that her Husband Dennis had.
Much lower key, respectively dignified and not a pence of taxpayers money involved.

This funeral has it seems to me, near been hijacked and has grown into a total farce and also a show of strength against the people who in fact Margaret Thatcher maybe did see as inferior.
A far too pomp ridden occasion rather than a respectful funeral with even celebrities being invited, not just going.
This funeral should have been far lower key than this, there could have been special services later for those who wished for more and more to the point were willing to finance it from their own means.

What is happening here is a large section of society, who were crushed likely in all truth by Margaret Thatcher's policies are now having their noses rubbed in that.
No wonder some are so incensed that usual respect has gone out the window.
Respect is something that has to be earned, to many in the UK Margaret Thatcher did not earn it, this funeral,the way it has been planned by David Cameron, the Govt and all others involved, is also an example of not earning respect.
Sensitivity should have been the order of the day for this funeral of Margaret Thatcher, there is none of that coming from its planners,none whatsoever.

I have nothing against her,I wasn't even born when she was PM, my family were largely supporters of her but near all are already sick to death already of this gushing of how wonderful she was and the planning of any of this funeral with any public funding.
That fact happening is only going to increase tensions not relieve them.

Like I said her funeral is not until next week, how can you say that her behaviour towards the public is not relevant?...
Everyone has the right to express their opinion, freedom of speech is a right not a privilege.

I've not said a word against Free Speech? You should try reading my posts before trying to shove words down my throat.

I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen, just like the Westboro Baptist Church, they're entitled to protest but I'm also entitled to voice that I think the whole thing is pointless and petty.

I didn't say you had... Examining your posts I feel you have exhibited a pretty judgmental attitude to be fair, so you see I have read your posts fully dezzy I just don't happen to agree with them.

You insist on using this 'church' as a reference, yet as it stands there is nothing to link the two situations.
Maybe it was due to James mentioning this earlier in the week?... Who knows.
Your opinion is that it is pointless and petty you have said this numerous times, millions across the UK feel differently it seems.

You must be willfully ignorant if you can't see the comparison I'm making. The point is in both cases they are protesting a funeral but people are completely against the church doing it but are all for the Thatcher protest despite the fact that they are basically the same thing. It's all very hypocritical.

I don't let the majority shape my opinion like some who just seem to spout the popular opinion and base their argument around it...

"I have nothing against her,I wasn't even born when she was PM, my family were largely supporters of her"

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I could say the same to you for being blind to the thoughts and feelings of the millions that feel incensed enough to take to the streets to air their feelings.

You have totally misunderstood, westboro 'church' do not protest about funerals... they protest at funerals.

Good for you, I don't either I have based my views on education and research, those who assume the moral high-ground in my opinion are not in any way entitled to it.

I cannot deny that, they did support her and most of them proudly,believing she had a vital role to play in Union reform and that she did do that fully.
However even My Parents now are furious at any public funding in any way for her funeral and are fed up of all this sugary sweet stuff being rammed down our throats by David Cameron and co since Monday.

..I don’t understand the point of protesting on the day of the funeral..is the point to show Margaret Thatcher what people thought of her policies and time in power..that they or their families suffered...she won’t hear that point no matter how loud that it’s shouted..is the point that this public funeral shouldn’t be taking place...that decision was made by others, not her...is the point that people feel her legacy lives on...then that isn’t going to change because the past can’t be undone...is the point that people feel the present government are making mistakes...then a funeral isn’t the place to do it...this is pointless as the person who it is aimed at is oblivious to it and it changes nothing...

..but whatever the point, to try to prove it at someone’s funeral when a family is grieving is extremely distasteful and shows no compassion at all except to make a very sad day for her family, much worse than it needed to be...and it doesn’t matter if the public think her family ‘can take it’...that still doesn’t justify the actions of doing it....and when you ‘put a point across’ in this way then that whole point is lost by the wrong of your own actions...

..there is a time and there is a place and heartlessly disregarding grief is neither of those things....

..and yes, there are many voices in this protest but there are equally many other silent ones who find it extremely distasteful and inappropriate and only hurting people who are innocent at a time when their emotions are already touched by grief.... I’m sure the family are now resigned that this protest will go ahead and are prepared for it as much as they can be..but that will never justify the people who are taking part in it or excuse them because it’s a completely callous action...and I personally fail to see any sense of satisfaction gained by that sort of cruelty.....

..you know, there’s a saying that I keep trying to remember because it’s so applicable here...but what it basically says is that we can’t make ourselves feel something that we don’t feel..(and in this case, it’s anger over the funeral and costs..?...and of course, a lack of regret that she’s dead...)...but we can make ourselves do the right thing in spite of our feelings ..and allowing a family to grieve is the right thing....

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Is the saying ' As ye so so shall ye reap?'..

I agree with your post Ammi as I usually do,you always think things through I know that
However just taking the other side,while it is true she won't hear the protests and all demos taking place because she is no longer with us.
By the same token though, she will also not hear all the sugary near canonisation praises of her either but people are having to hear all those voices.
In fact they have been since Monday when she sadly died. Both in what they buy and what they are watching.
For me it goes both ways, right or wrong.

I am just really angry at any public funding given to this over the top funeral, when all are being told to tighten their belts.
It is unnecessary and unacceptable to me and I also actually think Margaret Thatcher would likely be saying that too.

But it isn't her who will be suffering on the day of her funeral, is it?...