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Lets assume it was all about money and that..ans there really was nothing to any of it. Why, after having experience of extortion, and people making up 'vile lies' to try and pressure him to pay...would he then do the exact same thing again, pout himself into nthe same situation again where it was possible for some other 'vile father; or whatever to claim again? Honestly, if you had some odd habits, lets say you befriended random kids like some lady on our street did and took them to yours for hour long knitting sessions (this is actually true..I have fond memories of that :laugh: ) because they were bored. Many people found this odd, but if it had been a bloke they would have found it odder, lets admit. So, lets say this woman was wealthy..very wealthy, and one of our parents saw a way to make some easy money, so made up a load of stuff about how we were really learning bondage techniques or something, knitting underwear and parading it or something similar. Surely, the woman would not take in random kids into her house after this. Especially...if a second parent then did the same thing. Or she would, you know, make sure there was another adult there at the least, that kind of thing. She would not keep taking random children into her house for hours, with the curtains usually shut. At the very very least, lets say she really really wanted to keep knitting with random kids, she would do so, on the lawn outside or something, so there were witnesses, so noone could come out with stuff to extort her? |
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all the bs about "but he never had a childhood" - er he did have a childhood, yes if was different to many but he still had one and it was better than an awful lot of kids.
Jimmy saville and Rolf Harris honed their careers so they could be around kids all the time too |
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It was brought up because its genuinely not fair on members taking part in the discussion or replying to Kazannes posts, they are basically replying to a stranger's opinion and well it's just odd tbh. However why you felt the need to jump in and bring it back up again when it was over and done with I do not know but if we could keep on topic now please that would be great. |
Just finished watching the second bit, fell asleep last night. Wades mother, saying she could forgive Michael as he was sick? Ugh. Regardless of the reasons I could never ever forgive someone abusing my kid. James' brother has the most 'typical' reaction I think, the anger. You can see it boiling away too though I can see why some would think he comes over emotionless too...that was MY reaction when I found out my brother was taken advantage of by an adult, when 8. So thats the reaction I can relate to the most. Just pure ****ing rage. I was genuinely going to kill this guy..my brother was still quite..confused and thought it was normal and a 'relationship' rather than abuse. My parents talked me down mind, luckily as I know I would have gone through with it and probably still been in prison now. I know now that it would not have been the best thing for HIM for me to do this. But at the time, there was just pure rage and disgust. That 'came about' by accident really, he never told anyone about the abuse, he 'slipped up' when talking about someone he admired, then further questioning brought out the truth. Honestly, he seems to have repressed it all now, which is maybe for the best. I do think it may all come out again though given he now has his own child and that does tend to bring it back to the surface :/
That was a load of waffle about nothing to do with the thread really. But yeah. I still do not think Wades mother seems...remorseful. The other mother neither really. Both seem to be trying to excuse what they did, and honestly I guess they were groomed too...but the thought that you could just ignore your childs welfare like that with bright lights and presents, its just awful. Maybe its one of those things that you wouldn't understand unless you have some experience of it, but I like to think some person trying to get at my kids..I would see it coming regardless. BUT, people don't do they, sports coaches, priests, the stories look like they have loads of warnings signs, but people seem to not pick up on it. Off to watch that abducted in plain sight thing now I think, as have been advised to by a few people. |
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I watched this with as open as a mind as I could have. Although like others, recalling there was a massive investigation done as to Jackson, charges brought and a high profile trial. With several serious charges, not just one in which he was found 'not guilty' on every single one. Now you can possibly choose to discount all that but I won't. That was all done when, and he did too, Michael Jackson faced and stood up to all those charges. Obviously alive. This now, after his death, he has no chance to defend or fight it now, and these 2 know that. Plus the fact they have already had a claim for money rejected, now lodging an appeal to still get it. Then doing this documentary. Frankly leaves me smelling a rat here. Their whole performance in both nights, with no passion or emotion, left me with the feelingcI can't trust their account The underwear,other accounts just didn't ring true and lead me to believe them. I've seen more passion in a shop when an assistant has given change for £5 instead of £10, than ever came across from any in this documentary. On this massive issue. That's my view, my conclusion, what I believe from listening and watching their face and eyes as the told it all. I'm not telling anyone what to believe or think, I'm saying what I do. Other than making points in my view relevant to what brought me to disbelieve them, the only other thing I've done is respond to others responding to me, whether they do that positively and negatively, when and if I see such responses. It's not for you to tell me I'm wrong. A lot of time has passed before these decided to change all they've said most of their lives. They haven't a scrap of solid evidence other than their word, their word which if they were telling the truth now, means they've lied most of their lives. So, I have in my own way, in my view come to the point, I don't believe them. They know Michael cannot defend himself against it. They admit, they hardly or never saw him in the later years of his life. Why didn't they change their deceit and lies then,if it was deceit and lies. Why only do this when they are seeking money from his estate. That appeal to come soon. Then suddenly to want to do this documentary. It stinks to high heaven, in my view totally. So no, I don't consider I'm wrong in my thinking as you infer at all. |
Has anyone else seen Michael video response to the documentary on WhatsApp, ****ing hilarious. Wish it was online
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I can see why some would think that. Humour is..subjective. My husband found it hilarious, and was not expecting the death stare instead of a laugh!
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I would say most pedos are careful enough not to record themselves in the act Kaz
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The whole thing is mass of lies and contradictions on all sides. I've just seen that Le Toya Jackson said he was guilty of abuse years ago then said she lied too. Nothing will ever be proved one way or the other I fear.
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That..is another thing that makes no sense. That 'rule', if everything was above board then of course people would want videos/pics of visiting somewhere like that. |
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I didn't need a lot of convincing to be fair, but if I did need it those 2 broken men convinced me last night ,how many more broken men are trying to live a normal life now because of what MJ did to them ?
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