:umm2: if she indeed fell then of course he got her help, no one is trying to argue that Johnny Depp is a psychopath who would just leave injured people hurt in accidents lying on the ground :think:

Amber said that she hit Johnny, because she was afraid he would push her sister down the stairs. Like he did to Kate Moss. She said this in her testimony.

Her sister Whitney said pretty much the same thing.
Under oath. They both lied.
Kate Moss isn't lying, otherwise they would have cross examined her. And they didn't.

She said all she could think of was Kate Moss and the stairs. That's all she said at that point, the other time she mentioned it she said she'd heard a rumour from a couple of people that Johnny had pushed Kate Moss down the stairs. I mean clearly she wasn't there the time Kate Moss fell down the stairs so she's obviously only going by something someone had told her about the incident anyway

Kate Moss testifying that JD didn't push her down the stairs doesn't prove that they were lying though? How does it? Neither of them claimed to have witnessed it happening (were they even born back then? :eyes: )

She shouldn't have accepted hearsay as facts.
I don't think she ever expected Kate Moss to testify.

It doesn't look good. And the jury have Jennifer testimony.
She said that Amber was the one who almost pushed Whitney down the starts. It's been admitted as evidence.

She didn't say Johnny definitely pushed Kate down the stairs though, she said she heard a rumour that he did which then came into her head

Also, it's a pity Kate didn't come forward before now and say he didn't do that. This rumour has been milling around for such a long time she could have put an end to it ages ago

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

I mean if you want but that's actually what she said, I've seen the videos :laugh:

I wouldn't believe a rumour without checking it was true.
That's just me.

I mean you might if you were married to drug addicted alcoholic who has violent outbursts :shrug:

Amber was also drinking and doing drugs.
Something her ex nurse testified about it.
And admitted on tape that she hit Johnny.
Women can be abusive.

Yep agree with all that. I believe they're both toxic and were both abusive at various points, never said otherwise

I was hitting you. I wasn't punching you. God Johnny, you're such a baby!
Tell the world Johnny. Tell the world. I Johnny Depp am an abuse victim. And see how many people believe you.

"Let's drown her before we burn her!!! I will ******* her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she's dead."

“Did I read that right?” lawyer Rottenborn asked Depp in the court, to which he responded, “You certainly did." When Rottenborn said, “You wrote that about the woman who would later become your wife," Depp replied, “Yes.”

He apologized for that.
I never said Johnny was a saint.
All I'm saying is Amber isn't as innocent as she's saying.
She admitted on tape that she hit him.

I'm not saying she's innocent
Also, he admitted to head butting her

That was to stop her punching him.

So he says.

He's hardly going to say yeah I head butted her while suing her for defamation, is he?

Do you honestly think Vanessa that Johnny never laid a finger on Amber? Its a serious question, I'm not trying to be funny.

Because if you answer yes, then sadly no matter what Amber is lying about really doesn't matter. She said he hit her, if he ever laid hands on her, even just once, he is guilty of doing what she has alleged. It doesn't matter what she did to him as that is not the point of this trial - she alleges he hit her, he said he didn't. The rest is really irrelevant.

Its just been one big media circus in my opinion and no winners - they have both been proven to be destructive addicts. I hope whatever the outcome they both move on from it and get on with their lives in a more healthy way

Do you honestly think Vanessa that Johnny never laid a finger on Amber? Its a serious question, I'm not trying to be funny.

Because if you answer yes, then sadly no matter what Amber is lying about really doesn't matter. She said he hit her, if he ever laid hands on her, even just once, he is guilty of doing what she has alleged. It doesn't matter what she did to him as that is not the point of this trial - she alleges he hit her, he said he didn't. The rest is really irrelevant.

Its just been one big media circus in my opinion and no winners - they have both been proven to be destructive addicts. I hope whatever the outcome they both move on from it and get on with their lives in a more healthy way

Incorrect, he testified that their heads connected in the process of her attacking him and him trying to get her off of him

I don't think he did.
She hit him and that was on tape.