Thanks kis - we agree on somethings at least and frying fish

Don't talk about frying fish! I'm so hungry and I'd love a battered cod right now. :laugh:

I haven`t forgotten how horrible she was to Freddie and hope she`s up soon

hopefully not against bea though, as I fear she is the only one lisa could stay over, and then she would think she was liked :shocked:

No worries mate, same to you! It's good to have a discussion with people about BB without an exchange of personal insults :wink:

I think Bea's exit interview could be interesting....what do you reckon? I hope they get the female psychologist/body language expert on....she seems to give the housemates a good grilling, it could be a big reality check for Bea having to watch video clips of some of the 'mischief' she's been causing ay.

That would never do - after all, she poked Freddie's head, and talked about him annoying her openly - while the rest nominated him too and talked about him behind his back. Oh wait...Lisa's an inarticulate butch lesbian with tattoo's and she's on the dole...:rolleyes:

Such prejudice is sickening.

I dont give a stuff if she is a inarticulate butch lesbain who is on the dole. Though well spotted.

I just dont like her. And not many others do either.

I know, prejudice is alive and well in our society, unfortunately.
I haven't heard a valid reason for disliking her more than some other HM's (who were more two faced) to date. I certainly haven't heard one for HATING her or for all the horrible, vile posts about her.
Until I do, I can only assume the over the top dislike is due to prejudice.
I think that's a fair enough assumption.

I dont hate her. And I dont appreciate being told I am prejudiced for not liking her.

Everyone has an opinion,. and BB is a personality contest at the end of the day, I just dont like her personality.

Nothing to do with her being on the dole, a lesbian or any other bullshit reason that you are trying to make out.

You just don't like her personality? If you insist. I don't like Bea's personality, and I back up my dislike of it with reasons.
Without valid reasons for your dislike of Lisa, I smell prejudice.

I have to tell you my exact reasons for disliking her personality or Im prejudiced?! Whatever.

Ok then, tell me exactly why you dont like beas personality, I think you are prejudiced because she is a tall blonde hippy.

Noirin and Bea are far worse

Lisa knows Bea's game

Lisa says people talk behind their backs all the time.However, She is gunning for Bea and Marcus. She will try to influence humpty dumpy David and sophie as they were all sitting in the living room slating him ths afternoon. So thats at least three votes for marcus has an influence on hira too that will be another one. Charlie and rod possibilities. She does it in subtle ways and the longer it goes on all others will go and we will have hira, sophie, david, lisa, and siavash in the final oh joy.... So get her out this week if she is up please.........

On second thoughts dont bother.

Ive just remembered I have been in exactly this same situation with you before, explained my reasons for disliking lisa, and you still deemed them invalid.

Yes, i must be prejudiced...even though one of my close friends is a dole collecting(at the minute, not usually) lesbian. Not as butch as lisa though, I guess that must be it :rolleyes:

Who are you to say what is a valid reason to dislike someone?

I can't say when I haven't heard a valid reason.
The reason you gave before was that she poked Freddie on the head, as if that was equivalent to crucifing the Lord Jesus . Hmmm...given the way he was treated by most of the HM's at the time.... nominating him and talking behind his back....and now Bea making mincement of his feelings....and talking behind his back....I can't see why Lisa is the hated enemy of the precious Freddie...not by a long chalk.

I have elsewhere on this forum backed up my reasons for disliking Bea, on several occasions. I have given Bea fans the courtesy of a logical, measured explanation, even if they didn't agree.

I think if you read back you may find I gave more reasons than that.

Anyway, I dont like her for my own reasons, I just dont like her...how is this so hard to understand. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION.

I dislike Bea equally, however i feel she has more to offer the house, as she is at least entertaining, lisa is plain boring, to go with her nastiness. This is why I want lisa out before her.

Your main reason was that she poked Freddie on the head - anything else you offered was illogical, because most of the HM’s were devious and sly about their Freddie dislike, while Lisa was more honest.
I guess you have changed your tune about Freddie now anyway, seeing as you don’t mind Bea trying to denigrate him as long as she is entertaining.
My point is, and always has been, is that the hate and viciousness against Lisa is way beyond over the top. You say you haven’t seen it - I can’t believe that. You haven’t commented on it, so I assume you don’t mind it.

I think Bea is worse too...I haven't been seeing that much of Lisa in the hl show but Freddie, Bea & Markus have started bitching about her again so I think she'll be up..

Yes, as I said earlier, you are one to say my views are illogical :rolleyes:

I didnt say i dont mind bea doing anything, I want lisa out this week and bea next week.

And I did not say I hadnt seen hate posts about lisa, what I said was I hadnt seen any homophobic posts about her, which I still havent.

You are the one who keeps bringing up the fact that she is a butch lesbian, therefore YOU are the one with the problem. Not us.

mmmmm with chips & vinegar:tongue:

Yes, I have a problem with prejudice against butch lesbians. I have been a volunteer in my community for over 20 years trying to further equal rights for homosexuals. I have seen too many young people commit suicide, I have seen too many people beat up and even murdered because of their sexuality to be complacent and let things go.

If you haven't seen the homophobic posts, count yourself very lucky. I don't see how you could have missed them, but seeing you have, maybe that explains why you are so unfeeling about the vicious, vile hatred directed towards Lisa.

Even when posts are not out and out homophobic - and there have been PLENTY - there are many more which depict her as a vile human being not worthy to be on this earth. Nasty, horrible stuff. Have you seen those?

Oh God yes - and bread with lashings of butter and a diet coke! :colour:

Yes, I have a problem with prejudice against butch lesbians. I have been a volunteer in my community for over 20 years trying to further equal rights for homosexuals. I have seen too many young people commit suicide, I have seen too many people beat up and even murdered to be complacent and let things go.
If you haven't seen the homophobic posts, count yourself very lucky. I don't see how you could have missed them, but seeing you have, maybe that explains why you are so unfeeling about the vicious, vile hatred directed towards Lisa.

Even when posts are not out and out homophobic - and there have been PLENTY - there are many more which depict her as a vile human being not worthy to be on this earth. Nasty, horrible stuff. Have you seen those? [/quote]

:hello::hello:+k

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what's open at 4am?!!:spin2:

I only joined here last week, Ive seen a few anti-lisa posts, some of which are way too harsh.

I was at DS before this and those were harsher. But I rarely see any at all that say anything about her being a lesbian.

And you trying to make out that everyone who dislikes her is prejudiced against butch lesbians really isnt helping the cause you know. People are entitled to opinions.

Have you ever met someone and decided straight away that you wouldnt like them? Sometimes you just dont like someone...no set in stone reason for it, it just happens.

This is kind of like how I was with lisa, when I first saw her, i thought I would like her, as she seemed similar to someone I know, in attitude and just how she was in general. Then she started grinding on me, I do not know why...the same happened with rodrigo...and then she started being nasty and (i know you disagree) bullying freddie. Aswell as Kris and karly, it was not just lisa, I do not just blame lisa for it. But she partook in the ridiculing of him, which was nearly always done in group form, rather than one on one, which I dislike also, 3 onto one is not fair.

I voted kris out, I voted karly out, Lisa is the only one left for me.

Now Bea is attempting to do the same thing, however, it is not done with a group of sheep behind her, it is just her. This is why i dont feel it is as bad. However, what she is doing is enough for me to want her out, which i will do, when she is up for eviction, be it before or after lisa. But if she is against lisa,I will vote lisa...as i feel what she did was worse.

Does this make sense to you so far? Or are you just going to dismiss my opinions again and say my reasons are invalid?