If you think white america accepts halle or obama as one of them you are just ignorant to the point of criminal. If obama was accepted by the white community he would not have caused a race issue in american politics. Being part of a group is not something you can decide as an individual, said group must recognise and accept you as an equal and valued member. For example i cannot say i am italian because i meet none of the criteria, i was not born there, i have no italian heritage, i dont even speak the language and more importantly italians would not accept me as an italian because i do not fit any italian criteria. As another poster just said if white people do not consider halle to be white how can she claim to be white with any legitamacy. I can claim to be italian all i want but if italians say 'no your not' then i am deluded. The black community accepts halle and her black heritage the white community rejects her white heritage and this has nothing whatsoever to do with which race parent was the better one, its just slightly more complex than that.

Nope.
All wrong. You are just coming up with stories about how you imagine things might be.
None of it.
First off - the vast majority of people in the USA do not care or concern themselves with it.
Second reminder:
The 'Black person' in Halle Barrys life abandoned her and her mother.
The 'white people' in her life invested great time and sacrifice and a lot of jewish people gave her contracts, money and then sold tickets to white men who wanted to see her,
and,
again, nobody really cares and nobody was watching Halle Barry wondering if she was 'black or white,
and,
there are just massive amounts of 'browns' in the USA,
and,
If you do want to bring in subcultures and racism then duly note that there are as many 'racists' in their 'Black communities' who most definitely do NOT accept a Halle Barry as 'one of them' and do discriminate,
and,
for that matter there have been subcultures of 'creole blacks' who do NOT accept people who are darker.
Not that many years ago there were many a night club where they had a paper bag test. If you were blacker than the colour of the paper bag you were not allowed in.
Neither were white people.

Anyways.. that all digresses.
No, Halle Barry was all but 100% entirely raised and supported and rewarded by 'white people'.
Not to say 'because they were white' but just saying that is where the numbers would land if you actually wanted to put categories into it.

jeeeshhh elsuckimo, you must spend a lot of time and energy constructing and maintaining those kind of unhinged opinions and world view.

im suprised she is the first

Do you live in the USA or have ever even been there?

Not one living white person in the USA considers Halle Berry as a white woman, that's a fact.

I've lived there for a long time and not one person there considered me white, because my grandparents are white.


If you did not grow being black or mixed with black, you don't know what its like. The thing is you can do all this talking about this and that, but you haven't lived your life as a person of color. So honestly you should ****. You are sounding very ignorant right now.

Why do you even care what colour she considers herself anyway??? She is both so she's entitled to say she's black if she wants to!!!

Your becoming a joke. So madonna's black kids are in actual fact white because they were raised by a white woman? Comeon. I was doing you the honour of giving you the benefit of the doubt, that you really were not as devoid of rational thought as you made out but the amount of bull and under hand remarks in you last post gives me the impression that you have a agenda that i do not particulary like.

Noirins not black :puzzled:

He is clearly a racists.

He is one of those people that would do/say anything to put down a person of color.

If Norion or Halle was calling themselves white, his whole argument would change to discredit them in another way.

exactly lmfao.

agreed BBUK...Luckily his inflametory posts are clearly the mind work of an intellectualy stunted creepy sad sack.

At the risk of finding myself involved in a stoning match, or labelled (the tag is not the product) in some way, I feel obliged to extend the question of whether one should consider certain individuals "black" to the likes of Mariah Carey or Vin Diesel.

Also, if Marcus thinks himself cool, but plenty of people don't, should we call him cool or not?

Well both Mariah Carey and Vin Diesel consider themselves black.

I would fall into that category with them. I usually call myself mixed, but when I put myself into an ethnic group, I say that I'm black.

I will NEVER buy anything with Noirin face on it.

Sunday sport and Nuts magazine. Yep, she's going the classic BB bimbo route and with no shame about it either.

Always knew she had no class. And her agents a sleazeball.

I tend to put "Other" on forms etc., in my head sometimes giving the tenuous reason that I had one Gypsy great-great-grandfather. I doubt I would find myself accepted by any Romany community.

Pretty complicated subject, I won't even start on what makes or does not make someone Jewish....

To me Noirins White heritage is as obvious in her facial features as her Black heritage and Its the Mix of the Two that make her so Beautiful . Anyway if she can make plenty money from her looks, then she will have the last laugh and good luck to her

I wonder what we would say if she said she was the first Big Brother hm to never talk behind anyones back for her whole duration?

I doubt we would have

"What she calls herself is what she is" sayers





:nono:

:thumbs:

Noirin is a pretty black woman and proud of it shes not in the house and the threads about her are still red hot best house mate this year:thumbs:

Well I agree she can call herself what she likes. But surely for historical purposes it becomes more about fact? If she is technically not black then she can't be called the first black anything.

She is light skinned so putting her on the cover is no great shift from the usual anyhow. It's just another publicity angle that's all.

she is mixed race


and you are wrong

I really dont know what everyone sees in her :shrug::shrug::puzzled::puzzled:

If she were breaking down barriers and opening doors for black women I would applaud her, even though I can't stand her, but I don't think being the first black woman on the cover of Nuts is exactly something to be proud of, or furthering the cause. By this I mean that being in Nuts full stop is nothing to be proud of. Does anyone actually buy that rubbish???