Carpet muncher or not - the hate is justified. She's a vile excuse for a human being.

a truly dissapointing topic post ....

i think Lisa has been, if not a bully, a mean-spirited and negative person at the very least.

This has been the fundamental reason she has been disliked.......in response, to this dislike about her character, some people have used "stereotypical" insults ...
but mainly the issue has been her as unlikeable person and not her sexuality.

you have failed to see this ...

I find the draconian, humourless and lazy playing of the "phobic" card undermines many causes..since it provokes people rather than eliciting their understanding

....i've bored myself now:sad:

:thumbs::thumbs2::cheer2:

So how did that IP check work out for you then?
I cherry pick?
That's rich!
When it comes to Halfwit, I think people are wearing rose tinted glasses...

[quote]Originally posted by h3llb1tch

You need to be clever to be a bully?? :puzzled: I give up ... :rolleyes:

it's dennis ffs

No, you need to be clever to scheme and manipulate.
Which is why Halfwit and Bea are so good at it...

No, not me. Why don't you ask an admin. And I'm not Ahmed either. Such paranoia. :sleep:

She's an odious, totally unlikeable person. Her being a lesbian is an irrelevance. Just make sure she's out tonight.:xyxwave:

Voting to keep HER IN :thumbs2::thumbs2::thumbs2:

I don't care about the rest, I just enjoy watching the programme, I don't get wrapped up in all the nonsense but when reading your post one thing bugged me:


"Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other."

Tosh. A strong person is still being bullied if they get put down a lot. If they cope with it, well thats great, but I don't think its fair to take away what it is - Bullying.

I am talking all round here, not in context of BB.

Well you didn't bore me. Very well put.

There is no doubt that Lisa is disliked because she is a butch lesbian. Frequently you'll find comments amongst the anti-Lisa threads.

Young guys on this forum seem particularly angry towards her. But it isn't just boys, I've noticed even mothers using Lisa's sexuality as an insult when making a post about her.

Having said that there are other factors. She was perceived as the ring leader in an alliance who joined because of a mutual dislike to Freddy.

So she became a villain, and BB villains get loads of abuse. Not because they are one thing or another (all though that is used against them), but because of them simply being the bad guy or girl in the show.

If Lisa was an attractive heterosexual, would she be any more or less hated; who knows.

Just being a strong female in there seems to inspire some hatred from the outside.

There are a number of errors in the original post in this thread, quoted above. Let's go through them one by one:

1. "Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying.""

She has never liked him and she has made it plain. However, she continually denies, both to Halfwit himself and to others, that she has ever said anything like that about him. Just the other day at the bus stop she told David she had never said anything bad about Halfwit, an outright lie if ever there was one. Hardly an example of "honesty".

And, of course, there is no contradiction in the notion that one's behaviour can be both the honest expression of one's opinion of a person and be an example of bullying. So there is a straightforward problem with your sentence in that respect.

2. "Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other."

Not always. For a person may enlist the help of others, cronies if you will, to perpetrate the episode of bullying. This is the kind of bullying most common in the schoolyard of course. Simple "ganging up". And it is what we saw in the House during the first few weeks. Further, as Lisa's allies were evicted her bullying of Halfwit diminished to zero, supporting my idea.

3. "Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype."

Here you are only partly incorrect. Lisa certainly has acted in an aggressive and intimidating manner. The video evidence of this is widely available and was discussed in great detail on this forum when it occurred.

The point about the stereotype of the "man-hating lesbian" has some merit. Unfortunately, there are homophobic idiots who will try to make use of such unpleasant stereotypes and use them as a stick to beat a person with (metaphorically). I deplore such behaviour. But that does not mean that the aggressive and intimidating behaviour referred to above did not occur. It did. It is just that right-thinking people should not be employing nasty homophobic stereotypes in order to frame such behaviour. They should just call that initimidating and aggressive behaviour exactly as it is.

4. "If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?"

Actually, yes. In fact, Kris, Karly and even Charlie and Sophie have come in for similar criticisms for their involvement in the very same incidents. This is, by itself, a direct refutation of your implication.

5. "If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated."

There is an extraordinarily powerful rebuttal to this particular point: Bea. Attractive, straight Bea arouses similar feelings to Lisa in significant numbers of people, to such a degree that she is the favourite to be evicted this evening. I do not want to make a judgement here as to whether Bea's behaviour has been better, the same or worse than Lisa's behaviour. I don't need to. It suffices for my point that many people think it is as bad and despise her for it. If not an outright refutation of your implication then this is very, very close to it.

Given the arguments above I should say that I conclude that there is next to nothing of merit in the original post in this thread. Even so, I will add the following:

Do homophobic feelings fuel the dislike of Lisa in some people? Yes.

Is homophobia the main or significant factor in the general negative feeling about her? No.

That is all.

You got the gist of that vicious cow down to a T.

For those that deny there is prejudice on this forum about Lisa's sexuality, and therefore against all homosexuals, read the thread
'Lisa: Roughest Ugliest Lesbian I've Ever Seen....' -

....you'll find plenty of homophobic comments in there. And that's just ONE Lisa thread.

I think it would be rather foolish to deny that there is any prejudice on this forum, since it is out in the open. But the existence of such prejudice is certainly not enough to establish the OP's many claims about attitudes to Lisa, as I have pointed out at length in my post above.

Well, Lisa is rough-looking, she's ugly as hell and she's a lesbian...that's homophobic in your book? Stating factual observations is now homophobic? Only a moron would think like that.

Not to do with homophobia, but just general unjustified derogatory remarks and hatred.

I found it funny how Halfwit has been on the dole, despite being a millionaire. Of course he had to disrespect many by calling it pocket money, whilst laughing about it to David.

It's also funny that despite having little education, she outfoxes and outsmarts educated douchebags like Freddie and Bea.

Lisa is just too good, she always wins the nominations battle, and always knows how to make friends and retain the balance of power.

Pooooor Freddie just needs BB to intervene every week, in order to fix it. :rolleyes:

Very calm, reasoned, intelligent and articulate post. :thumbs: Especially good points re. Bea. Nothing more needs to be said on the matter

lol no its not.
It reads... of all lesbians SHE is the ugliest. It doesn't imply all lesbians are ugly. Shame on you for projecting your own homophobic hate on others. mahahah

The idea that people dislike Lisa BECAUSE she is gay is ridiculous. She's hated because she's a nasty back stabbing manipulator that spreads vile hatred with every word she utters.

Thank you very much, shash.

I said READ THE THREAD. I did not say the title was homophobic (thought it IS cruel, imo). Only a moron would would make the mistake you did.

My sister is a lesbian and she hates lisa more then i do so maybe she is homophobic??

I asked that people READ THE THREAD - I was not commenting on the title itself.....
Unbelievable, how some people can't comprehend a simple sentence. *sigh*