Charlie can just speak faster than others and that is it. He did not let Freddie explain at all and then just said he did not want to hear anymore of it, which is pathetic thing to do. Sorry excuse for a man.

Freddie just said he got the bad vibe from sophie and charlie immediately jumped on him without letting freddie finish. All he was trying to say was he got the vibe from sophie that she felt it was wrong of marcus to do that and charlie has to twist things!!

He knows that freddie is his biggest threat and has suddenly turned on him. If he had seen all the things lisa has done and said he would not have anything to do with her. I am glad though he will not win because people know he is a two faced **** stirrer who's only hope of winning is a sympathy vote which our great british public seems to fall for quite often.

Go Charlie alright, out the front door, what an a-hole, saying don't bring sophie into it (fag-gate), she started it you idiot :rolleyes:

Because Freddie wasn't voted out by the public when he was nominated, he sure does think he's never going to be voted out. But I don't think he's as popular as he was - he's just Bea's lightweight sheep and agrees with EVERYTHING Bea says.

It was so good to see Charlie telling Freddie how he sees him. Go Charlie go :thumbs

charlie is biggest gameplayer and very aggresive, get him out fast as false as sophies breasts tbh

Oh how stupid of me, I had forgotten how sensitive Fredde was to Sophie's vibes! :puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

Freddie was clearly trying to divert Marcus' heat away from Bea. But even worse, why was Freddie's shocked and disturbed expression ANYONE else's fault but his own. Cast out first the beam from thine own eye!!! Marcus was manipulating Freddie by suggesting he saw it as Bea's fault that Freddie was appalled! SO transparent the lot of them, so much so that even Charlie could see it.

Lets step back to the beginning to see who started it, rather than starting several steps down the story. Marcus took the cigarettes and hid them. He then put them where Sophie would find them when he sent her to get a can of lager out of his drawer. He deliberately triggered the whole thing.

:thumbs: I found it quite hard to watch as it wasn't a constructive argument just Charlie shouting and not listening as per normal - and later when Charlie was talking to Freddie about it in the sitting room - the moment Freddie made a salient point Charlie just put his hand up and told Freddie to drop the subject. Awful Charlie really needs to go now.

I don't buy this at all. Whatever his reasons for taking the cigarettes, the dramas of the night were instigated by Sophie and Charlie.

I think people are letting their imaginations run away with them with this whole "Marcus wanted her to find the cigarettes" nonsense. Still, people are fond of such unlikely theories on this forum.

But Charlie was fairly spot on in what he was saying, imo, Freddie does go on loads about Lisas "gameplan" when tbh I really don't think she has one, all she's doing is hanging around with the people she likes and giving out about people she doesn't, thats not a gameplan thats human nature. Freddie & co do exactely the same thing infact lately Freddie and Bea have been the main culprits for looking like they have some sort of gameplan, if your ask me I reckon Bea is the only one in there with a gameplan!!

He also said to drop the subject but then was happy to go and chat to anyone who would listen about it which was again pathetic. If he is like that in real life god help him.

Yep, since Hira was booted.

His little mind has been doing overtime thinking the quiet and nice people aren't so popular as he once thought. Big change of gameplan there.:whistle:

That's OK, I'm not selling it, I give it freely and generously. IMO your argument is ill-founded; simply a view plucked from the air with no evidence offered.

OK, the evidence is that when Sophie found the cigarettes, instead of questioning Marcus about them, which would have been the logical and reasonable thing to do, she went around to the housemates who were most likely to make a scene about it. She lit the fuse for the night's arguments. Charlie was so fired up and ready for a row that he leaped into a conversation between Freddie and Marcus that had nothing to do with him. He heard Sophie's name mentioned and jumped to entirely the wrong conclusion and behaved like a man possessed, causing trouble for the rest of the night and not allowing Freddie to explain anything. If Sophie has simply spoken to Marcus in the first place then nothing would have happened.

I hope this shows that my comment was not a random thought, ill-founded or without evidence :hugesmile:

What is the evidence for Marcus planting those cigarettes for Sophie to find them? :puzzled:

Personally, if I was in such a situation I would always discuss it privately with the relevant party before deciding how to act for the best.

Charlie was legendary last night.

30, 000 fans on facebook, Don't insult members.

You are my favourite poster on here, it's a shame I can't keep my calm and post calmly and unbiasedly like you do. It's so easy to get sucked into the petty idiocy and bandwagon mentality on here.

I think most of the hate towards HMs is actually just misdirected hate; because fans rile other fans up. Nothing even to do with HMs!

I do think Charlie was legendary last night, he was spot on IMO and called Freddie out completely.

Notice how Freddie talked about the public loving him again.

Lisa Will Reach The Final Baby

Dream on you scree wanna-be

go charlie go! i liked the way he handled freddie =]

Hmmmm... did you forget the two-faced arse told freddie that Lisa said nothing about him? You're all delusional. More people hate Charlie now than like him.

Just caught up with last nights hl show, have to say I think Charlie came out of that pretty well. Yeah, he gets carried away and has to apologise for his behaviour (in part) afterwards but he managed to out talk Freddie which is some achievement. And I think he told Freddie things he needed to hear.

Freddie floundered and it didn't appear as though he was being completely honest in what he was saying to Charlie in the kitchen and seemed to try cover it up with ridiculously lonooooooooooonnnnnnng draaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn out exclamations. I think it's like he's coming down off Bea and through the series has gone from being the teased kookie boy in the class, to the newly confident and accepted, to thinking Bea really liked him and one of de boys.....to being dropped on his ass by Bea, and exposed and now the lost boy again. Him eplaining intelligence in an argument (I nearly threw the remote at the tv then) and alternating between trying to confound the person he's arguing with then mocking them like a 12 year old just makes him look stupid.

Goddamn it Freddie....I think I want you out!!!

But not before Bea :whistle:

I think its funny when Lisa gets brought up as the gang leader/ mischief merchant...I think she's been relatively quiet since the new hm's were brought in and let it be known that she was widely disliked.

The reason why Chrlie the Saint lol dedcided to have a go art Halfwit, was because Halfwit prediction that Lisa would go on Friday was wrong, so all that time he just wanted to say to Halfwit lokk your wrong you don't know what the public want, I more prefer halfwit than Charlie has he gets on the bang wagon alot and he has these little outburst as it makes him the sentre of attension, look at his behaviour when his up for evction he acts like a desperate animal desperate to stay in the house and he sucks up to everyone.:conf: