Very interesting!

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What about the possibility of feeling the need to trivialize a possition when one feels out of control over these issues?:laugh:

The belt Lisa wears saying Jesus Loves You is not an act of her appreciation of God it is a pure fashion thing that set her back about £60!

Oh come on! When somebody uses religion in a negative way, that is the individual's choice. There are trillions of good and decent hearted religious people out there that use their religion to help themselves and others. Why not blame the governments that sell weapons and start wars for what's going wrong with this world rather than blasting and labling good people. Religion isn't the beast, human nature is.

I see no reason why we should not stop nature from harming it's creations. I guess your refering to stuff like pollution and that kind of thing, which ofcourse is nature at it's best

Its a well known fact religion is dying out, so the quicker the better.

I wonder without religion what will WARS be about?

Relgion and God is pile of mythical S****e and is not worth the paper the fairy tale is told on.

Jesus, well seriously.. iv noticed a few things about religion is that its done more harm than good and that only people that are religious are young and loners, middle aged and virgins, or old and niave.

Possibly the most ignorant collection of words I have ever seen

Congratz :pat:

Resources like oil as always. Religions are just excuses. It's easier to get people into the war if they think that god is on their side.

Exactly. Religion hasnt just been responsible for just good deeds it has helped build some of the most beautiful buildings in the world and music. It has also however at times completely stunted intellectual and scocial development. The problem I see with religion is that human nature is that of survival and as such often selfish. As such religion seems to be used as a tool to gain power over others more often then for good causes as those who rise to the top are those who most want to have power and put the effort in.

That is why I want nature to win as that way more species flurish in the long run.

Anyhoos Im off for grub.:xyxwave:

Can i just ask is it not Natural to be selfish, thus is it not unavoidable that once a religion is established it will always pander to it's leaders selfish guidance.

Religion becomes a wrapper for selfish men's desires for power, wealth, and influence.

I can agree with you to a certain extent but certainly not the bit about it being used for bad more often then good. Anyway, nice debating with you, enjoy your grub :xyxwave:

I suppose where winning the show is concerned it depends on how many true Christians actually watch BB. If they did they probably wouldn't vote. I know a lot of Christians who simply refuse to watch the programme.

A friend of mine looked down their nose at me when i said i was watching BB, i asked what tv do you watch and she said Supernatural.

I found this hillarious.

You are an amazing person OP. I agree with many of your points.

I am a fellow Christian. I have come here to drum up support to evict Bea.

Some very good well thought out arguements both for and against religion.

Thing to remember todays world is a result of religion being the basis for most modern laws. That has both good and bad ramifications. Suffice to say without religion and the various rules(then laws) it imposed upon those following their various faiths, we would still be fighting like cat and dog between various tribes and even families within tribes. And as such probably none of the fantastic socio and scientific developments we have would be around.

Some very bad things have been done by people perverting the beliefs of religions to suit their own ends, however lots more very good things have also been done in its name.

Personally I think the OP should have named the thread "One Christians perspective on Big Brother" as he/she cant be expected to know all the views of all the different churches and all the members of those churches.

Incidentally the first and second world wars, stalin's pograms, the cultural revolutions of china, pol pot and a host of other 20th century and 21st century cleansing and misdeeds were in no way religion based. regradless of the flag flown by those carrying them out.

Dont you think that is a red hearing. The world today is not a result of religion, as not all powerful people are operating with religion in mind, Bush may of said he was invading Afghanistan with a religious flag overhead but, he wasn't. The real reason was Human Nature.

Mugabe, selfish lust for power, human nature
Hitler, selfish lust for power, human nature
Idi armin - selfish lust for power, human nature

Poverty in Africa Laws preventing fair trade plus selfish Africans with their hand in the charity pot

Poverty on your door step - Selfish need to collect money and store it forever

Human Nature is the topic that is taboo, and so religion becomes the red hearing.

I take it you didnt read the third or subsequent paragraphs.

And Bush didnt go into Afghanistan under a religious flag it was under a flag of revenge/retribution for the twin Towers Atrocity, speaking as one of the first Brits in there, he was out for blood and was acting on bad intelligence.


Incidentally Mugabe and Amin were more for retention of power, not religion Hitler started lots of problems in europe and never used religion, it was national pride(nationalism) he used to unite Germany etc.

Pitty we arnt in a pub. Ive started to reply to so many good posts only to go back thinking the forum is just too clumsy for this type of thing.:sad:

Edit: Least for me that is.

Oh i did i also did not assume you blamed all problems on religion.

I am just confused as to why religion is discussed as anything to do with "the problem with this world is" when it is plainly obvious that religion is a man made creation, thus man must be at fault.

If i create a gun and bullets, and kill someone, i get the blame not the gun, and that is what most talk of religion is about, blaming the gun and ignoring the shooter.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I think this would have been a really good discussion face to face (beer in hand). :thumbs:

Id be tempted to come dressed Pre-Raphaelite.:laugh:

Yawn.

My point exactly, the original religion itself didnt cause problems, simple example, a commandment, do not kill, originally applied to only the killing someon in the same tribe of israel as yourself, then came to be applied to any of the tribes, nowadays its accepted by society as do not kill anyone unless we are at war with them(or other legal exceptions).

The original rules for any (in fact all established) individual religion were designed (either by god or by man) for people within that society to live together and make that society a better, more secure society. Religions cultured tolerance, care of the sick and weak, etc.

It was later mans interpretation or corruption of the basic tenets of the religion that caused most of the religious based wars - the crusades for example were a war of conquest instigated by greedy Christian leaders who wanted to ensure their place in both history and heaven but also to lay claim to the lands of the middle east. The leaders of the Islam people were more than willing to allow pilgrims to travel to the Christian religious shrines etc, also it was the muslims, who on the whole fought the war of the crusades honourably, who applied the christian knights code of chivalry as well as their own codes to both sides, unlike the christian knights who generally applied thier codes of chivalry only on themselves