[rquote=2602602&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2602576&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602476&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2599565&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]The odd thing is, the age of consent is, 16 years old. This girl was 15 years old... but people will still scream and shout if a 16 year old girl sleep with somebody 8 or more years older or years older.

Should we raise the age of consent then?

If we don't raise the age of consent, is it really that bad that she had a lesbian relationship with somebody who is only a year away from being legal?

I have to add - none of this includes my opinion which is, she fell in love and that's hard on her, but adults have a responsibility to kids too young to know better.

So should the age of consent be changed?
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Yeh I agree its kind of a grey area really and none of us can really make a judgement without knowing the people involved, some 16 year olds are as mature mentally and physically as some people in their early 20s and Im sure raising the age of consent would cause more problems. Having said that, she was underage and the older woman should have held back and regardless of that she was her teacher and in a position of power and trust, she should have walked away. I dont think shes a predatory paedophile to be honest though looking at it from what evidence there is.[/rquote]

All of these things come into play. All these grey areas and we leave this to a court of law to decide while people in general are open to pass judgement and opinion on things. I guess that is why we have free speech - because the laws of our land aren't as finely tuned and direct as we would like them to be.

The funny thing is, when somebody below the edge of 16 has sex with another person below the age of 16, then is that against the law? LOL Do they both go to a detention centre? Or is it on the basis of diminished responsibility only when an older individual takes part...

Strange. In the past people would be married by 13 and have a family by 18...

Now we need workers for the new empire.[/rquote]

I think it is against the law for people under the age of 16 to have sex but its rarely enforced for obvious reasons. The law should be enforced where one person is underage and the other is older (or the other has a position of power over them in some way) because the possibility of manipulation and abuse is more likely. Cases like this where it is in a grey area, then the people involved in the case (lawyers/family/and the people in the relationship) have to decide between them what is an appropriate punishment within the law, this is how the court system works and should work IMO. We pass judgement but we dont really know the full story. As for getting married at 13, well they were the grim old days! We used to burn strange women with cats too heheh[/rquote]

That comes a bit grey when you have people in a relationship where one is 15 and the other is 16 or 17

[rquote=2602678&tid=142181&author=Tom][rquote=2602602&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2602576&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602476&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2599565&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]The odd thing is, the age of consent is, 16 years old. This girl was 15 years old... but people will still scream and shout if a 16 year old girl sleep with somebody 8 or more years older or years older.

Should we raise the age of consent then?

If we don't raise the age of consent, is it really that bad that she had a lesbian relationship with somebody who is only a year away from being legal?

I have to add - none of this includes my opinion which is, she fell in love and that's hard on her, but adults have a responsibility to kids too young to know better.

So should the age of consent be changed?
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Yeh I agree its kind of a grey area really and none of us can really make a judgement without knowing the people involved, some 16 year olds are as mature mentally and physically as some people in their early 20s and Im sure raising the age of consent would cause more problems. Having said that, she was underage and the older woman should have held back and regardless of that she was her teacher and in a position of power and trust, she should have walked away. I dont think shes a predatory paedophile to be honest though looking at it from what evidence there is.[/rquote]

All of these things come into play. All these grey areas and we leave this to a court of law to decide while people in general are open to pass judgement and opinion on things. I guess that is why we have free speech - because the laws of our land aren't as finely tuned and direct as we would like them to be.

The funny thing is, when somebody below the edge of 16 has sex with another person below the age of 16, then is that against the law? LOL Do they both go to a detention centre? Or is it on the basis of diminished responsibility only when an older individual takes part...

Strange. In the past people would be married by 13 and have a family by 18...

Now we need workers for the new empire.[/rquote]

I think it is against the law for people under the age of 16 to have sex but its rarely enforced for obvious reasons. The law should be enforced where one person is underage and the other is older (or the other has a position of power over them in some way) because the possibility of manipulation and abuse is more likely. Cases like this where it is in a grey area, then the people involved in the case (lawyers/family/and the people in the relationship) have to decide between them what is an appropriate punishment within the law, this is how the court system works and should work IMO. We pass judgement but we dont really know the full story. As for getting married at 13, well they were the grim old days! We used to burn strange women with cats too heheh[/rquote]

That comes a bit grey when you have people in a relationship where one is 15 and the other is 16 or 17 [/rquote]

Yeh sure it does, how many of those cases get reported though, families are rarely bothered at that age difference and less likely to find out theyre having sex unless the younger person is vunerable I guess

[rquote=2602602&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2602576&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602476&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2599565&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]The odd thing is, the age of consent is, 16 years old. This girl was 15 years old... but people will still scream and shout if a 16 year old girl sleep with somebody 8 or more years older or years older.

Should we raise the age of consent then?

If we don't raise the age of consent, is it really that bad that she had a lesbian relationship with somebody who is only a year away from being legal?

I have to add - none of this includes my opinion which is, she fell in love and that's hard on her, but adults have a responsibility to kids too young to know better.

So should the age of consent be changed?
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Yeh I agree its kind of a grey area really and none of us can really make a judgement without knowing the people involved, some 16 year olds are as mature mentally and physically as some people in their early 20s and Im sure raising the age of consent would cause more problems. Having said that, she was underage and the older woman should have held back and regardless of that she was her teacher and in a position of power and trust, she should have walked away. I dont think shes a predatory paedophile to be honest though looking at it from what evidence there is.[/rquote]

All of these things come into play. All these grey areas and we leave this to a court of law to decide while people in general are open to pass judgement and opinion on things. I guess that is why we have free speech - because the laws of our land aren't as finely tuned and direct as we would like them to be.

The funny thing is, when somebody below the edge of 16 has sex with another person below the age of 16, then is that against the law? LOL Do they both go to a detention centre? Or is it on the basis of diminished responsibility only when an older individual takes part...

Strange. In the past people would be married by 13 and have a family by 18...

Now we need workers for the new empire.[/rquote]

I think it is against the law for people under the age of 16 to have sex but its rarely enforced for obvious reasons. The law should be enforced where one person is underage and the other is older (or the other has a position of power over them in some way) because the possibility of manipulation and abuse is more likely. Cases like this where it is in a grey area, then the people involved in the case (lawyers/family/and the people in the relationship) have to decide between them what is an appropriate punishment within the law, this is how the court system works and should work IMO. We pass judgement but we dont really know the full story. As for getting married at 13, well they were the grim old days! We used to burn strange women with cats too heheh[/rquote]


But it is a sexual attraction and the need to shag and that soon as puberty kicks in can hit any old soul, can't it.

I think Laws really need to evolve over time with society, especially this one. Lately though, everything seems to be at loggerheads with each other. People have differing views and opinions on things.

[rquote=2602689&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602602&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2602576&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602476&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2599565&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]The odd thing is, the age of consent is, 16 years old. This girl was 15 years old... but people will still scream and shout if a 16 year old girl sleep with somebody 8 or more years older or years older.

Should we raise the age of consent then?

If we don't raise the age of consent, is it really that bad that she had a lesbian relationship with somebody who is only a year away from being legal?

I have to add - none of this includes my opinion which is, she fell in love and that's hard on her, but adults have a responsibility to kids too young to know better.

So should the age of consent be changed?
[/rquote]

Yeh I agree its kind of a grey area really and none of us can really make a judgement without knowing the people involved, some 16 year olds are as mature mentally and physically as some people in their early 20s and Im sure raising the age of consent would cause more problems. Having said that, she was underage and the older woman should have held back and regardless of that she was her teacher and in a position of power and trust, she should have walked away. I dont think shes a predatory paedophile to be honest though looking at it from what evidence there is.[/rquote]

All of these things come into play. All these grey areas and we leave this to a court of law to decide while people in general are open to pass judgement and opinion on things. I guess that is why we have free speech - because the laws of our land aren't as finely tuned and direct as we would like them to be.

The funny thing is, when somebody below the edge of 16 has sex with another person below the age of 16, then is that against the law? LOL Do they both go to a detention centre? Or is it on the basis of diminished responsibility only when an older individual takes part...

Strange. In the past people would be married by 13 and have a family by 18...

Now we need workers for the new empire.[/rquote]

I think it is against the law for people under the age of 16 to have sex but its rarely enforced for obvious reasons. The law should be enforced where one person is underage and the other is older (or the other has a position of power over them in some way) because the possibility of manipulation and abuse is more likely. Cases like this where it is in a grey area, then the people involved in the case (lawyers/family/and the people in the relationship) have to decide between them what is an appropriate punishment within the law, this is how the court system works and should work IMO. We pass judgement but we dont really know the full story. As for getting married at 13, well they were the grim old days! We used to burn strange women with cats too heheh[/rquote]


But it is a sexual attraction and the need to s**g and that soon as puberty kicks in can hit any old soul, can't it.

I think Laws really need to evolve over time with society, especially this one. Lately though, everything seems to be at loggerheads with each other. People have differing views and opinions on things.[/rquote]

yeh sure but there has to be a law to stop young vunerable people from being exploited, manipulated and abused which is more likely to happen in an unequal relationship such as a 15 year old with someone much older etc. You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere

[rquote=2602854&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!]

yeh sure but there has to be a law to stop young vunerable people from being exploited, manipulated and abused which is more likely to happen in an unequal relationship such as a 15 year old with someone much older etc. You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere[/rquote]

I was thinking a law designed for kids under 18 and also a law for people over that age.

I.E. If you're over 18 years old you can't have sex with somebody younger but 18 years olds or younger can have sex with each other.

Will be funny if your boy/girlfriend turns 19 and you have to wait a year before your girlfriend is 19.
LOL

[rquote=2603649&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602854&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!]

yeh sure but there has to be a law to stop young vunerable people from being exploited, manipulated and abused which is more likely to happen in an unequal relationship such as a 15 year old with someone much older etc. You have to draw the line in the sand somewhere[/rquote]

I was thinking a law designed for kids under 18 and also a law for people over that age.

I.E. If you're over 18 years old you can't have sex with somebody younger but 18 years olds or younger can have sex with each other.

Will be funny if your boy/girlfriend turns 19 and you have to wait a year before your girlfriend is 19.
LOL[/rquote]

ooh no I think thats a bit high...you can leave home and get a job at 16...but cant fall for anyone over 18 lol! thats a bit much. I think 16 is a reasonable cut off age. There isnt enough of a problem with young people getting prosecuted for having sex underage (with each other) to warrant a change in the law. Like I said, families are less likely to report it to the police if they find out and the police are less likely to want to push that through the courts, people use their common sense.

Well still it's a shady area of the Law that people frown at and needs to be sorted out.

[rquote=2604139&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]Well still it's a shady area of the Law that people frown at and needs to be sorted out.[/rquote]

Well I dont think changing the law is the answer, maybe education especially in more deprived areas, challenging social norms in some way...I dunno but changing the laws isnt going to change peoples behaviour

The issue isn't particular that the girl was 15 and the woman was over 18. The issue is that the woman held a position of authority (as a teacher), and so it was deemed less acceptable than a simple underage relationship.

They spent hours trying to hit a high G.

[rquote=2604365&tid=142181&author=Lauren]The issue isn't particular that the girl was 15 and the woman was over 18. The issue is that the woman held a position of authority (as a teacher), and so it was deemed less acceptable than a simple underage relationship.[/rquote]

Yes quite right, the age difference is an issue (it would be if I was the girls mother!) but the fact she had that position of power makes it all the more wrong

[rquote=2604174&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2604139&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]Well still it's a shady area of the Law that people frown at and needs to be sorted out.[/rquote]

Well I dont think changing the law is the answer, maybe education especially in more deprived areas, challenging social norms in some way...I dunno but changing the laws isnt going to change peoples behaviour[/rquote]

You need laws for places like that. I don't think education has reached a point where it has an effect in such places. The one thing they hate is authority and education is one of those symbols of authority they despise.

[rquote=2604365&tid=142181&author=Lauren]The issue isn't particular that the girl was 15 and the woman was over 18. The issue is that the woman held a position of authority (as a teacher), and so it was deemed less acceptable than a simple underage relationship.[/rquote]

Doesn't remove from the fact adults from all corners have a responsibility to younger people.

[rquote=2604723&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2604174&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2604139&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]Well still it's a shady area of the Law that people frown at and needs to be sorted out.[/rquote]

Well I dont think changing the law is the answer, maybe education especially in more deprived areas, challenging social norms in some way...I dunno but changing the laws isnt going to change peoples behaviour[/rquote]

You need laws for places like that. I don't think education has reached a point where it has an effect in such places. The one thing they hate is authority and education is one of those symbols of authority they despise.[/rquote]

There is always going to be grey areas in law, in anything, its not a simple black and white world. You have to put the stick in the sand somewhere and I think its appropriate where it is. Nothing is going to stop people under 16 having sex, and having some draconian law against it isnt going to work...look at homosexuality as an example...did it stop people? No. It'll cause more problems than its worth...is it sensible for someone to have a criminal record that will affect the rest of their life, work prospects etc when all they did was have sex at 14 with someone of their own age? Besides which, maginalising certain groups in this way is only going to furthur their hatred and distrust of authority. It doesnt make sense to do that. We have to put our trust in the legal system and common sense to deal with the grey areas....gone off on a tangent but cant be arsed to start a new thread...

[rquote=2605866&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2604723&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2604174&tid=142181&author=NettoSuperstar!][rquote=2604139&tid=142181&author=MassiveTruck]Well still it's a shady area of the Law that people frown at and needs to be sorted out.[/rquote]

Well I dont think changing the law is the answer, maybe education especially in more deprived areas, challenging social norms in some way...I dunno but changing the laws isnt going to change peoples behaviour[/rquote]

You need laws for places like that. I don't think education has reached a point where it has an effect in such places. The one thing they hate is authority and education is one of those symbols of authority they despise.[/rquote]

There is always going to be grey areas in law, in anything, its not a simple black and white world. You have to put the stick in the sand somewhere and I think its appropriate where it is. Nothing is going to stop people under 16 having sex, and having some draconian law against it isnt going to work...look at homosexuality as an example...did it stop people? No. It'll cause more problems than its worth...is it sensible for someone to have a criminal record that will affect the rest of their life, work prospects etc when all they did was have sex at 14 with someone of their own age? Besides which, maginalising certain groups in this way is only going to furthur their hatred and distrust of authority. It doesnt make sense to do that. We have to put our trust in the legal system and common sense to deal with the grey areas....gone off on a tangent but cant be arsed to start a new thread...[/rquote]

People not obeying laws is something I shout about a lot and as much as people talk about legalising and illegalising things, there will always be criminal activity to suppress delinquency so a productive social system can exist.

But even within that some laws, built around a welfare system, where they are rewarded for their behaviour as a citizen, it could be work or help or aid. Basically like education placements and such and encouraging this (it has actually worked with EMAs, stopping people getting pregnant) and encouraging this alongside punishments were not adhering to responsibility (be they parents or children) then there can be a switch over possible.

There have been far too many vote winning laws that have caused huge problems and not enough intelligent law making to create boundaries and benefits for people. I could blame labour who have been far too interested in staying in power than creating benefit. The Tax Credit scheme alongside the EMAs and also encouraging the limit of 18 to stay in school or training is a good thing - but more may need to be done.