If Marcus walked into any tough pub in one of the inner city areas of a big city, with his long pony tail and ridiculous sideburns he would have the whole place laughing and pointing.

And if he was daring enough (he isn't) to give anyone a bit of lip, he'd be floored unconscious in about 2 seconds flat. (Probably by one of the women! :bigsmile:)

Macho Marcus? "I don't think so, Sonny Jim!" :joker:

There may be an issue here in relation to appropriate attribution of blame by Marcus. We shall have to wait and see the incident before making a judgement about that.

However, whatever the situation regarding the attribution of blame, unless there is something else to this that we do not yet know then Sophie is clearly in the wrong in reacting in such a way. She is the offender in this situation and it is not the place of the offender to respond with indignation to the reaction of the person offended against. That is fairly straightforward.

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I'm sure your concern has been noted.



Is this an order?

:joker::joker:


Don't tell me,you are the Rt Hon Ed Balls MP.

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With no exaggeration and not saying this is right or wrong but as a statement of fact:
Yes, if Marcus walked into any sort of 'working mans pub' here in Canada (not even known for fighting) but walked in looking like that he would have people just blatantly laughing and pointing at him too,
and,
If he was overheard telling any of these karate stories or even tried to act 'tough' dressed like that then he would almost certainly get punched out in 2 seconds,
and,
yes, same as in your London scenario it would probably be one of our big strong trucker mamas who did it.
Easily.

The reason Marcus would NOT get beaten up every night is actually because he is such a joke, such a big joke that people would feel sorry for him,
or,
actually feel embarrassed for beating him up because it would 'lower their reputation' for picking a fight with the weakling costume guy.

Seriously and not trying to be funny but I have a dreadful feeling that Marcus is almost certainly going to get beat up on the streets after this program.
I do NOT agree with this but the truth is there are just thousands of guys (too happy for the street rep) or just for laughs who will most deliberately prod and poke him into a corner to make him 'put up or shut up' and really humiliate him into a fist fight.
Then just punch his face in.
Again - I strongly hate that but I am just saying that is far too likely to happen.

Although I think this entire thread has turned into a bit of a silly debate I would hate you to get the wrong impression of life in the UK.

For one reason or another I have spent quite some time in what could be called "tough pubs" and although I have a completely different background to many there I have never had a problem. Although I wouldnt say I am much like Marcus he strikes me as just the kind of guy who would fit in well.

I dont think, however, he comes across as a "tough guy". Although limited my experience of "tough guys" are of people who are psychopaths with no regard for their own safty let alone anyone elses. Much like the guy who threw a kettle of boiling water over a friend of mine who let him stay overnight as he couldnt get to his brother who was in prison at the time.

Luckly most folk over here are pretty much the same as anywhere else though and not anything like that. The concept of "big strong trucker mamas" seems more fitting to me as being from the U.S. or a lesbian porno movie.:bigsmile: Edit: Sorry just realised I misread your post there so maybe this is a thing we can agree on:blush2:)

So anyhow, the kiddies in the house had a barny, Im sure itll all be forgotten about by the finals. Lets all at least try to get on here if we can.:elephant:

Sophie is wrong on so many levels here. I have the Live Feed recording of her sharing the drink with Charlie. She's an idiot who can't take responsibility for stealing Marcus' drink. Silly, unrepentant cow.

Probably Siavash, given his siding with Marcus in the issue. David will be safe IMO. :rolleyes:

I just find Marcus a tad hypocrytical after all he did purloine fags when he does not even smoke. Before anyone starts about they were for everyone not just the smokers. Why did he not share them equally with the rest of the non-smokers? Reason being dear ladies and gentlemen he 'aquired' them in order to banter, which he does on a regular basis. The target is usually nubile women (check out the video when he said to Bea "They were for you and now you have spoiled the surprise") said in a wheedling voice.

I assume you mean "barter" instead of "banter". This issue has been pretty thoroughly debated in several other threads and the barter idea does not stand up to scrutiny. It is fairly clear he was going to give the cigarettes to Bea or perhaps produce them for everyone when the smokers ran out as some kind of surprise which he believed would make himself look good.

I'd have to agree. I mean how could he barter with the cigs? They'd be shocked that he'd have cigs to barter with and would take them off of him for the smokers to use ... doesn't make sense at all.

I think he fancied Bea and wanted to impress her with the surprise. TBH!

What gave him the right to decide that Bea was to be given the cigarettes it was not his call. As for his bartering, he does it all the time and sadly its always the females that come running. What self respecting person would wash someone elses clothes for a can of cider. Pimp and Prxxxxxx come to mind. Sophie and Marcus the true face of society today.

With regard to his "right" to decide, I am not sure he had such. As far as the bartering is concerned, well I think this issue has been about as conclusively settled as it can possibly be under the circumstances and your thesis is a poor one.

Anyway, there is not much point debating this all over again. I suggest you simply go and read the many threads on the subject from when it actually happened.

How many of you actually read El Proximo's comments now....:whistle: We all know exactly what they're going to say but does anyone actually pay attention to anything he writes now or do you all just scroll past his comments, like I do???!!!

So you admire Sophie. does this also mean you admire her thieving ways?

As to your fiction around the "tough" behaviour of Marcus. You haven't got it yet, have you.

Marcus is not popular because he's violent, in fact the only act of violence I saw is when he solodly punched Kris in the stomach, of course, this action sickened me.

Marcus is popular because he is funny, clever, insightful, a unique individual. Nothing at all like the media *****s that feel inclined to take what is not theirs whenever they like and fail to accept responsibility for their appalling behaviour.

He does have a point, although I don't agree with all his points. Marcus likes to play the alpha male role but whenever a decent male comes in (Tom), he just resorts to b*tching behind his back and then being all submissive and nicey-nicey to his face.

He does use physical power to his advantage, and the things he says to Sree/Sophie etc he perhaps wouldn't dare say to e.g.) Tom.

But I still think Sophie is way in the wrong and totally dumb, irregardless of Marcus.

Ive read enough to realise that El Proximo is a she and she does sometimes make some very good points. Do often skip them though as I cant help feeling that sometimes she may be a little bit biased.

I had to take el poxo's posts apart a few times a wee while back - However it's so easy to do, and lacks the satisfaction required too keep one at it.

So yeah, never read now. Dull, duller, the dullest.

Who's El Proximo?

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You are right in saying that the cigarettes have been debated quite thoroughly in previous posts. However, you are still wrong in implying the bartering of the cigarettes does not stand up to scrutiny> Perhaps you have still not been convinced of this but that hardly means it's now conclusive.

I agree that it's pointless to rehash previous discussions but if you do so, at least be even handed about it.

I have not failed to be even-handed. I have stated my opinion and people may challenge it if they wish to. I may be wrong or I may be right, but even-handedness does not really come into it.

No issue on an internet forum (or indeed anywhere else) is ever settled to everyone's satisfaction but on occasion some issues are debated at considerable length and points are made with enough clarity and lucidity that something like a reasonable conclusion can be drawn. The idea that Marcus was planning to barter does not in my opinion stand up to scrutiny, for fairly straightforward reasons which have even been discussed in another thread this very day. The most obvious is that Marcus had already told Bea prior to the night of the cigarette argument that he was going to give her a gift.

That said, I do not intend to discuss it yet again here. If someone wants to go read and resurrect one of the threads from the time of the incident then fine but as far as I am concerned all the relevant points have already been made.

im so confused & lost :joker::tongue:

Yeah what was the thread about again?

Watched LF last night and she told Charlie where the cans were and when he wouldn't go and get them she went herself. True Charlie actually opened the cans but she took her share and Rodrigo had some too. The truth is she is the one that actually took the drink so she shouldn't complain when she is found out.