Well I dont mind coming here fraternizing with the working class peasants for a while. :laugh:

Seriously, I didnt start the class war, Ruth, Im merely defending the honour of the upper classes. Ive noticed quite a few derogatory comments aimed at Derek because of how he speaks and his posh roots. Quite unfair, I think, and I was just seeing what would happen when I tried the same tactic by knocking the other end of the class system and making sweeping statements which you obviously took exception to. :joker:

Of course I dont think all working class people are dole scroungers and some northern accents arent that horrendous, but if people are going to bring up class and accents into this discussion then you can hardly moan when the shoes on the other foot. :bigsmile:

Science chooses to go on the offensive and starts the bickering. Youre implying hes on the receiving end and having to defend himself which isnt true. I have studied Science very carefully and although sometimes he can be quite nice, he has been extremely rude.

AndyJK, I've never knocked Derek for having money or the way he speaks. Maybe others have, I don't know. I do however think Derek's a snob, which I dislike.

I never said you did.

My comments were mostly a swipe at those who wish to look down on Derek because hes a Tory toff.

No I know you didn't. I do respect your opinions, even if I don't agree with them.:spin2:

I don't think Science is the yoof of today in general terms but I do think he would be wise to listen to Eugene and sometimes Derek in respect of having a good debate, getting your points across without an all of shouting match.

Science is probably very intelligent and just fustrated because he doesn't know how to get his point across.

I don't much like him myself but these are just my thoughts

Well said Ruth, they're the kind of messages Derek is putting across in the house and you rightly slaughtered them & exposed this hypocrite! Well written!

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Cheers coltrane:thumbs:

science to listen to who? derek .derek may be posh as some people see him but i have lost respect for him .it does matter even if science leaves tomorow

I hope Science stays - Derek will be so unbearably smug if he goes, and I can't wait to see the looks on Craig and Derek's faces if Orlaith goes. Derek has fallen into the trap of thinking that because he has money, he is superior to the others, and he's wrong. For example, when he and Science were arguing in the bedroom and Derek was saying that everyone in the house felt the same way about Science (can't remember the exact words he used) and Makosi said that she didn't want to be included in that. Derek hated the fact that she wouldn't go along with what he wanted her to do - he couldn't believe that she even had the nerve not to back him up.

I do think Science would do himself some favours if he stopped shouting so much, but on last night's highlights show (20/7/05) you could see that he was at least attempting to make amends, but nobody was prepared to listen. At the end of the day(!) I think Science is a nicer person than Derek by far, he does have genuine compassion for others, unlike Derek who uses other people's anguish to further his own cause.

Here, here! Very well written. I can not believe the verbal diarrhoea that was written by Andy and the other joker above. Who seem to writing these stements for a reaction.

It has nothing to do with Derek's accent or upper class roots! It's the snobbery. He does think he's better than everyone else. And to say a number of things as outlandish as:

'Science makes me hate black people' '
Science makes me want to join the BNP'
'If anything, I'm racist against my own kind'
'Go back to where you came from'
'Get back to the Cole mines'

Amazing statements. Why is he seeing the colour or class? Why not just say he dislikes them. This is Racist or discriminatory. If a white person said these things to Science you would call them racist.

Those are the reasons why I dislike Derek.

I stand by every word of it. Youre obviously the Science of forum boards incapable of listening to others with differening opinions of your own. My point is that there are people who dislike Derek, not because he is a snob, but because he is a> A Tory b> likes fox hunting c> speaks with a posh accent d> represents the upper classes.

I do ask myself why Derek is being rebuked for innocent comments hes made towards Science regarding his colour, yet black people refer to each other as '*******' and which is commonly used in rap music across the world. Perhaps you can answer this, oh wise one.

Not at all, I'm not a Science fan as mentioned previously on this thread if you care to look. I'm not a big fan of anyone. You're just being very dogmatic and irrotating, which I am taking offence to.

Oh and for the record I am black (of mixed heritage) and I take offence to Derek's comments. I also hate the word '******' and rap music so don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Lastly, I liked Derek up until about two weeks ago when his nasty side came out more and more.

PS. Derek being from the so called upper class, a fox hunter, and a gay black man has FA to do with it. In fact I found all this amusing. It made his personality interesting and a fascinating housemate to watch. Infact, I think if I was in the house I would probably find myself talking to him because of this. However, it's his nasty, snide and snobby comments I currently have a problem with.

Ive accepted that Derek does come across a bit of a snob. This is more to do with the age gap than anything else and taking on the role as Mother hen to a group of youngsters. I also acknowledge his comments towards Science were strong and inappropriate but I dont think they were meant to be seen as racist. In the past few weeks, Science has pushed Derek to the absolute limit by provoking him into making reactional statements (as youve mentioned). Lets not forget Derek was very keen to take Science under his wing and help him in the beginnning which has been thrown back in his face because of Science's appallingly bad attitude and disrespect for people. How can anyone calling themselves 'Science' to project a man of intellect resort to childish behaviour and name calling as he did by calling Derek "a ****ing prick".

And as for being "dogmatic", Ive never made statements intended to be taken for fact. They are only my opinions deduced from logical reasoning of a show that is watched religiously by millions of people. They are my views not representative of any organisation or group, and people are more than welcome to agree or disagree with them.

And to back up my points which youve clearly refuted, Ive been reading some of the text messages in support of Science flashing across the screen like: "keep Science in der house, yer get me". That is proof if any that somebody has used a well known Science phrase.

Why is Dereck being classified as "Upper class".?? Speaking posh does not make the man upper class. It does make the man look exactly what most tories are and that is a fraud.

Dereck is not upper class as that would be an insult to real upper class who are generally civilised and tolorent people minus snobbery. Dereck pretends to be upper class by using the same type of "silly for morons only Queens English that no one in there right mind should have any respect for. Dereck is so far up himself it's a wonder he has not gone into orbit.

The Dereck's of this country do far more harm to the Tory party that even the demon Thatcher could do. The Dereck's give the tory party the image of being rich snobbish goons and deter voters from considering the Tory party as a credible mind set to believe in. For that I thank Dereck. Long may he continue to help destroy the Tories.....:devil::devil:

Thats a bit of a sweeping statement! Ill have you know Im a Conservative voter and not ashamed to admit it either. :mad:

As for Baroness Thatcher, the woman is a Godess who saved this country from economic ruin! I worship the ground she walks on. Only daft northerners pining for the old days of working a mile underground shovelling coal resent what she did. Sod the miners!

Thats understandable conservatives have little shame at the best of times.:laugh::laugh: PS. I was actually refering to conservative MP's not the votors. The votors are simply gullable. Used to be one myself. Yes i used to be conservative and have now seen the error of my ways.:laugh:

Ahh i can't be bothered to read these essays.

Science sucks.

ditto

Andy the sort of text speak you refer to is used by loads of people, and sent in by supporters of all the housemates, not just Science. I'm sure you've come on here deliberately to wind people up and get a reaction; you've got you wanted haven't you?

Actually text speak really annoys me, I can't understand it at all. But loads of people use text speak, not just fans of Big Brother, and certainly not just fans of Science.

As for people using his catchphrase 'yer get me', it's only the same as when people picked up on Maxwell's phrase 'off the hook' and used it. I wouldn't take it too seriously.

I would rather read these well constructed paragraphs that actually explain people's points of view than just the I hate such and such housemate. At least then you can have a proper debate.

I cant help those few members bothered enough to read my long-winded boring posts getting wound up over them. I believe tmy comments to be fair and justified even if nobody else doesnt. And although Ive come out in defence of Derek over his actions and believe he deserves to win, I still consider myself impartial without banging a drum for certain housemates. If Derek does anything I deem out of order I will say so.

To be honest, I cant remember a single BB series where Ive constantly changed my views on the housemates, and Ive seen them all - even BB 4 :sleep:. Science had every chance to prove himself this week to demonstrate that he is an erudite man of intellect and knowledge but he failed - spectacularly.

His mad fans havent helped me deciding either.:bored:

I was like you the account of pretty much changing my views on housemates on a daily basis throughout this series and now I dislike the majority of them and I am tired of the show to be honest.

If you were truly impartial then you would not favour any housemate but it seem's clear that you do indeed favour Derek in the way that you have spoke at length about the different things about him that you like and you seem attached to him due to his political views, hobbies and class.

I don't like the way you seem to pocket all science fans in one group as mad people, some may well be but the fact remains that he has varying levels of support from a good number of people.

Ive never said all Science fans are mad. Thats ridiculous. I just think a large proportion of his young fan base are (if that helps).

I like Derek but even I will admit some of his mannerisms and snobbery can be a little off-putting. But of course Derek's political views and love for fox hunting immediately make me warm to him than the other housemates.