[rquote=2534841&tid=146047&author=setanta]Of course it does but it is true that they had dismissed her totally and now that she's back in Siavash's thoughts they choose to readily accept it and his remorse. Compare this to his treatment of her when he was flirting with Noirin and there's a huge gulf in understanding and of their balance of sympathies. It's a contradiction.[/rquote]

What you dont seem to get though, is not all Siavash supporters are the same.

Sure, you will get some who twist everything to make him out to be perfect, sure you will get some who even claim he is jesus...but they are in the minority.

Most accept that he did something wrong, whilst acknowledging that him and his girlfriend were not together very long so it wasnt exactly a serious relationship, but note that Laura will feel bad, feel sorry for him because of noirin dropping him, whilst also accepting that it was his own fault for getting into the situation in the first place.

Yes a few people, myself included(but not ALL his fans) were saying that they hadnt been together long, in partial defense, however, he will still be upset looking back on it that he has hurt someone, who he obviously liked otherwise he wouldnt be with her in the first place, due to his selfish actions, especially after having it thrown back in his face by BB like he did. He will also likely be bricking it because he knows it is coming to the end and he will have to face the music and explain himself.

To say all siavash supporters are hypocritical is ridiculous. Especially making out that kitty is AFTER she provided you with evidence that she was not.

[rquote=2534845&tid=146047&author=VickyJ][rquote=2534841&tid=146047&author=setanta]Of course it does but it is true that they had dismissed her totally and now that she's back in Siavash's thoughts they choose to readily accept it and his remorse. Compare this to his treatment of her when he was flirting with Noirin and there's a huge gulf in understanding and of their balance of sympathies. It's a contradiction.[/rquote]

What you dont seem to get though, is not all Siavash supporters are the same.

Sure, you will get some who twist everything to make him out to be perfect, sure you will get some who even claim he is jesus...but they are in the minority.

Most accept that he did something wrong, whilst acknowledging that him and his girlfriend were not together very long so it wasnt exactly a serious relationship, but note that Laura will feel bad, feel sorry for him because of noirin dropping him, whilst also accepting that it was his own fault for getting into the situation in the first place.

Yes a few people, myself included(but not ALL his fans) were saying that they hadnt been together long, in partial defense, however, he will still be upset looking back on it that he has hurt someone, who he obviously liked otherwise he wouldnt be with her in the first place, due to his selfish actions, especially after having it thrown back in his face by BB like he did. He will also likely be bricking it because he knows it is coming to the end and he will have to face the music and explain himself.

To say all siavash supporters are hypocritical is ridiculous. Especially making out that kitty is AFTER she provided you with evidence that she was not.[/rquote]

Yes, I understand all that, but I'm talking about the major shift in sympathies here that coincides with his new antics in the diary room. It's not all black and white - I know that- but certainly the majority of their sympathy has rested with Siavash and been influenced by his actions alone. That's completely evident from tonights show and their response to it.

[rquote=2534850&tid=146047&author=setanta]
Yes, I understand all that, but I'm talking about the major shift in sympathies here that coincides with his new antics in the diary room. It's not all black and white - I know that- but certainly the majority of their sympathy has rested with Siavash and been influenced by his actions alone. That's completely evident from tonights show and their response to it. [/rquote]

But this is because he is the one we are watching, not her. Had we seen her reaction to the whole thing, then things might have been different...as it happens, we didnt, and the woman we saw was not one who was upset, she was one who appeared to be milking the split for all it was worth, and, not that this has anything to do with anything, I would bet on the fact that they get back together for the mag deals anyway...I honestly think she has been happy for the publicity.

I do see people who see no wrong in anything he does, the same as people who CANT see right in anything he does....and its fecking annoying, but there are fanatics like that for every single housemate. And yet again I dont see any threads being made about them. Only siavash supporters.

[rquote=2534864&tid=146047&author=VickyJ][rquote=2534850&tid=146047&author=setanta]
Yes, I understand all that, but I'm talking about the major shift in sympathies here that coincides with his new antics in the diary room. It's not all black and white - I know that- but certainly the majority of their sympathy has rested with Siavash and been influenced by his actions alone. That's completely evident from tonights show and their response to it. [/rquote]

But this is because he is the one we are watching, not her. Had we seen her reaction to the whole thing, then things might have been different...as it happens, we didnt, and the woman we saw was not one who was upset, she was one who appeared to be milking the split for all it was worth, and, not that this has anything to do with anything, I would bet on the fact that they get back together for the mag deals anyway...I honestly think she has been happy for the publicity.

I do see people who see no wrong in anything he does, the same as people who CANT see right in anything he does....and its fecking annoying, but there are fanatics like that for every single housemate. And yet again I dont see any threads being made about them. Only siavash supporters.
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Yes, but there is no denying that there's been a shift here in their sympathies becuz of how he's acted, don't you think? I can see it anyway. It's not me saying they love Siavash and hate everyone else; it's me saying that they will favour Siavash and his interpretation of events over anyone else. That's clear from last night..... suddenly feeling sorry for his ex and sharing in his remorse, you know? That's a huge change in where the majority - and I say majority here so that Kitty is not on my back again - of their sympathy lay prior to this and contradicts how they viewed events a day ago.

I obviously have not seen what you have then because I havent noticed a difference in opinion about his ex.

Ive seen people say that HE obviously feels bad about what he did, since he was upset about it, but not anyone saying they feel sorry for her, at all. Or feel any more sorry for him. Unless I read that wrong...which is entirely possible as that doesnt seem like something you would write...

He has expressed remorse before today also..I really think BB has just worn him down recently, plus he is scared that he will have to face up to it...maybe thats me being naive, but if it is, I dont really care to be honest, thats just how I am.

Also, you must bear in mind that we see snippets of diary room conversations, so it could well be (not that Im saying it happened, but it MAY have) that he WAS set on going and BB persuaded him to stay. We saw like 5 minutes of an hour and a half long conversation, god knows what he was talking about for the rest of the time. BB has a habit of editing things and only showing things that will stir up feelings in people, to make sure the program is talked about, its almost like a soap this year as all we see is edits(:rolleyes:). Again I'm not saying this happened, just it might have.

And yes, really you should have said the majority of his supporters in the beginning...

Its all about where they placed the majority of their sympathies during the course of the show... with him after the Noirin thing first of all which lasted 2 days when he had a girlfriend of a month, which they were willing to forgive you kno? And now when he talks about her again, they accept it and feel sympathy for her along with him while before they defended his position and basically ridiculed her. I find that funny. It's about where they place the majority of their support and it's directly influenced by his actions and feelings, u know? Anyway, I'm rambling sorry.

Well no, as I recall he wasnt forgiven for cheating, infact most of his fans blasted him for it...however when noirin did the same thing to him, of course people will feel more sympathy, as as I said, we actually SAW what it did to him. Does this make sense to you? If Laura had been in the house, we would no doubt have felt no/less sympathy for siavash as we would have seen what the whole thing did to HER also, so the majority of the sympathy would have lain with her. As it happened, around that time she was not in the public eye, nor were we watching her reaction or feelings on the HL show. Out of sight out of mind, kind of, but most still felt some sort of sympathy for her.

Noone ever forgot what he did to her, or denied that he should feel bad about it, which he has, and has expressed on numerous occasions...however because the HL show last night dedicated time to highlight the fact that he was upset about laura, it has brought it back to the front of peoples minds.

Also I never saw anyone ridicule laura for being cheated on on TV, quite the opposite. The reason she appeared to be getting so much stick was because she said she wanted nothing else to do with him(understandable) but then went on to appear at a lot of BB shows, sticking the knife in, which is fair, obviously she will want revenge...but it just seemed she was so glad of the publicity...if she was so ashamed, upset and embarassed about being cheated on(which again would be understandable) then no way would she keep going on shows like BM to bring it up again and again when it would be so raw. This is what most people find so hard to grasp.

Plus, the fact that they were infact together only a month, so it is unlikely to be a serious relationship. yes this was used in his 'defence' about cheating with noirin...and now people are sympathising with him because he feeling guilty about cheating...this does not mean the relationship was infact serious, it does mean that he has a conscience though. And is worried about hurting anyone, he did it, and cant take it back, but he is still entitled to feel guilty, as most of us would were we in the same situation, whether we were in a serious relationship at the time or not.

Yes, but the majority of sympathy was always given to Siavash or to his plight. That's my main issue here. And they did ridicule his ex by questioning the extent of their relationship together and deriding her for being on every show. Most of the sympathy was always with Siavash and still is - he is the one who's deciding how they feel about certain things. Like you said, she was out of sight, out of mind. And as for him mentioning her- rarely happened before this and I don't remember him being particularly worried when he was making a show of her on national tv, while whispering sweet nothings into Noirin's ear. But as I said, with Siavash's fans, they'll see it mostly through Siavash's eyes.

As I said though, the reason he is recieving so much sympathy is because we watched his public ridicule. We did not watch hers. And its hardly ridiculing her questioning how serious the relationship is, or wondering why she is on every show after saying she wanted nothing more to do with him, or the whole thing. Its a very valid question...I'm sure had i been publicly humiliated like that I would not be milking the situation for all it was worth in the media, if I was so upset and embarassed that it had happened. but everyone handles things differently I guess.

And he has mentioned it quite a few times before today, both to the other HMs and in the diary room, just you obviously chose not to hear it.

He is not deciding how I feel about anything, I still feel the same about the situation as I always have. I cant speak for others, but I doubt they are so easily lead as to have someone they have never met decide their feelings on something. It comes down to how you are as a person, forgiving, or not. You are obviously the latter and have never made a mistake in your life.

But again, you dont want to see the other side of the arguement, so no point in talking. You just assume that you are always right and all siavashs fans are just blind to his faults. Which is not the case, as has been pointed out hundreds of times before, yet you continue to say it is. I fear im banging my head off a brick wall even attempting to understand this, when it should be relatively simple for you to see...if Laura had been in the house, and we had seen her breakdown the way he did, she would have more sympathy. We can only go on what we see, and while he was indeed in the wrong for doing what he did, he was also wronged by noirin, who it turns out just lead him up the garden path because she was bored, Karma some might say. Which again, is why he appears to be getting more sympathy...because we saw it.

Of course it's ridiculing her when you question the extent of their relationship, a relationship that you have said he's mentioned from time to time, but it has hardly left him forlorn and dying with shame up until now. That's what so interesting: it's not about his mistakes or their mistakes or my mistakes that I'm interested in here..... it's the balance of sympathy and how it's been transfered in accordance to how Siavash is feeling at a given time. Because you see him, you believe him and your loyalty stays the same.

And it's a contradiction because you're using the very relationship that you insisted on being shoddy or questionable to defend Siavash now; a relationship that he had destroyed earlier on in the show by being with Norin. And yet everytime the balance of sympathy always shifts in Siavash's favour.

I never questioned the relationship though, merely said that it is unlikely to be serious, as they had been together such a short time. Which I still believe, but why should he not be feeling guilty, no matter how long the relationship has been? In his eyes, he 'ridiculed' and dumped a girl on TV. I would say thats a normal thing to feel guilty about, wouldn't you?

[rquote=2534925&tid=146047&author=setanta]Of course it's ridiculing her when you question the extent of their relationship, a relationship that you have said he's mentioned from time to time, but it has hardly left him forlorn and dying with shame up until now. That's what so interesting: it's not about his mistakes or their mistakes or my mistakes that I'm interested in here..... it's the balance of sympathy and how it's been transfered in accordance to how Siavash is feeling at a given time. Because you see him, you believe him and your loyalty stays the same.

And it's a contradiction because you're using the very relationship that you insisted on being shoddy or questionable to defend Siavash now; a relationship that he had destroyed earlier on in the show by being with Norin. And yet everytime the balance of sympathy always shifts in Siavash's favour. [/rquote]

Very nice post.
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[rquote=2534637&tid=146047&author=setanta]You see, this is the funniest thing about Siavash supporters and what's really been striking to me on tonights forum. You call him heartbroken becuz Noirin pushed him away after two days together right?

And then Siavash has humilated his girlfriend on live tv and you call it nothing - that everyone makes mistakes. The hyprocrisy is incredible really.

And then to top it all off you state tonight that he's finally realised how much he's hurt his girlfriend, a girlfriend you were so quick to dismiss up until now.It's stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, contradicting yourselves entirely at every turn.[/rquote]

I have come nothing less than inane posts from you,,let me find holes in your arguments..

1. Heartbroken, right did i say that anywhere being a siavash fan.. wrong..

2. humiliated his girlfriend.. right, its more like humiliating himself on tv,, his girlfriend is happy to be bbbm...

3. You state tonight?? who, did i say that...dont make general sweeping assumptions..

4, stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, blah blah blah,, seeing this i just think you are a windup merchant..

so when raising posts, say something sensible next time..

ahhhh welll

life goes on!

Its not like he was married or anything, he is a young guy and i dont blame him.

Siavash to win

[rquote=2535236&tid=146047&author=masonbason][rquote=2534637&tid=146047&author=setanta]You see, this is the funniest thing about Siavash supporters and what's really been striking to me on tonights forum. You call him heartbroken becuz Noirin pushed him away after two days together right?

And then Siavash has humilated his girlfriend on live tv and you call it nothing - that everyone makes mistakes. The hyprocrisy is incredible really.

And then to top it all off you state tonight that he's finally realised how much he's hurt his girlfriend, a girlfriend you were so quick to dismiss up until now.It's stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, contradicting yourselves entirely at every turn.[/rquote]

I have come nothing less than inane posts from you,,let me find holes in your arguments..

1. Heartbroken, right did i say that anywhere being a siavash fan.. wrong..

2. humiliated his girlfriend.. right, its more like humiliating himself on tv,, his girlfriend is happy to be bbbm...

3. You state tonight?? who, did i say that...dont make general sweeping assumptions..

4, stunning the lengths you lot will go to in your defence of him, blah blah blah,, seeing this i just think you are a windup merchant..

so when raising posts, say something sensible next time..[/rquote]

No mason, I'm saying that whatever the situation, even if it collides with certain assumptions that have been made beforehand, the majority of your sympathy will always be given up to Siavash.

I'll be effing disgusted if that hairy, waffling creep wins. Who the hell is voting for him...and why?

His popularity has baffled me from the start. He's just annoying and tedious. And full of utter BS.

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