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[rquote=2601261&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2601243&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2601228&tid=147499&author=setanta]Yes, and alcohol is the most common substance found in violent crimes. Aren't you reading it?[/rquote]
Of course I am but like I have already said it and should be utterly obvious, Alcohol would easily be the leader due to it being "LEGAL" (operative word here - important) and Cannabis not being so. I have also offered you numerous articles and asked you to search the net to find more. You are continuing to ignore this as well. What do you expect from a pro-cannabis site? Nothing more than Alcohol is bad, reasons why Cannabis isn't so legalise it? How pathetic. Such a circular argument it's laughable.[/rquote] No it's not laughable actually. What's laughable is your attempt to vilify cannabis when it's been around for thousands of years and has been used by many civilisations throughout time. You're on a witch-hunt here when all evidence points to the fact that other drugs are inherently more dangerous and yet you continue to validate your argument by saying that obviously alcohol is involved with more violent crimes because it's taken more regularly as it's LEGAL. There's no logic in that statement when you consider everything else you've suggested in this thread. Actually that line about alcohol is very interesting when you consider the damage Prohibition caused in the United States all those years ago. By making something illegal you attract the wrong type of characters..... has nothing to do with the drug itself.... it's in the nature of certain people to go beyond the laws of a society and involve themselves in crime. I can't believe you're still arguing about Cannabis being at the heart of so much violence and crime when all stats point the other way and suggests that there's other drugs that are far more culpable. I'm all for legalising it because as far as I'm concerned it will eliminate that shady element from the drug and it will give people more freedom of choice, rather than being at the mercy of what the government feels is right. They get it wrong sometimes mate. If someone wants to smoke it, and by doing so they don't encroach on my freedoms or liberty, and they've been made aware of the health issues involved -just like tobacco or alcohol- then by all means do what you want with your own recreational time. Cannabis is a naturally grown plant .... people have used it for centuries.[/rquote] Do you know what I love most about your replies? The inherent prejudice that a drug is ok. This kind of prejudice has littered our society so much that there are so many users out there, arrogant enough, egotistical enough while living in a democratic country with freedom but also, free healthcare, human rights laws - to run around and do what they like, say what they like and the laws and the country will protect them. And you know what else I love to go with what I just said, how you ignore something so I have to repeat it over and over again. I also love how you think I don't know that pro-cannabis internet sites and pro-cannabis users have said it's been around for years and using historical arguments to try and prove something today. OK, let's put in a pop question here. People have committed suicide from using Cannabis. Is that a good thing if we legalise it? OK, here's another pop question. There has been a significant rise in Cannabis use leading to Schizophrenia. Notable in academic and professional publications. Is this a good thing? Cannabis is used by terrorism, well documented to push arms. Is this a good thing? Simple questions, that you have avoided above. Now - just to eliminate your view that Cannabis has been used for years - it hasn't. Hemp and it's properties. The plant, has been used for years. Not cannabis. Cannabis is the drug. Cannabis has not been used for thousands of years. It's Hemp that has the medicinal qualities. Cannabis is a drug. In fact it is a sedative. You know something else? The Hydroponics that are widely available on the streets these days? It has zero medicinal benefits. It's a sedative at best but has a higher chance to initiate psychoactive reactions towards mental illness in people. Notice the difference. Take into account the difference. Understand the difference between Cannabis and Hemp. Hemp is one thing. Cannabis is another thing. Cannabis is made form Hemp but they have differing qualities. Differing properties. The Pro-Cannabis world fools, manipulates many people into believing that Hemp properties can be interchangeable into cannabis. They can't but you can fool people long enough. What do they say? If you say a lie long enough and loud enough - it become true? Oh geez!!! Cannabis is not a naturally occurring plant. OK? It's a drug, made from hemp. Marijuana. For example, a quote from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp Quote:
You really need to understand, civil liberties and social liberties and the policy there in. This includes the use of drugs. You talk about the governments getting it wrong. Let me illustrate an example I gave you in previous posts with more depth ok? Imagine I am in Iraq and a bunch of start to get stoned (let's remove the fact that it's a war torn country, unemployment is rife, it's difficult to get by and drugs is the last time on our mind because we have a life). Now, let's say, as statistics go that 1 in 10 hard users have life long complications... so one in ten have really bad problems and then he has a life long complication with no health care, no doctor, no rehabilitation schedule at all - nothing. Unlike in this country where drug and reactions to it causes long term problems to the system but we can cope because we pay taxes and can deal with it because money is in the system FOR... people who want to exercise their freedom to get sedated/stoned? See the picture here? Also tell me why you are ignoring all the data on the internet that shows that there is a link between violent crime and Cannabis? You keep posting the propoganda like you are protesting but you are not really responding to everything I am saying. I was seriously not going to respond now because you don't even respond to what I say. I'm saying look at this and you're just giving statements from propoganda and biassed websites which are largely ran by drug dealers who have a fiscal interest and therefore are largely in the wrong. Also the argument about Alcohol having more violent crime due to it being used more is legitimate. It's a straight forward issue - very easy to understand. Oh man, the prohibition argument. Prohibition was introduced as an economic factor to encourage people to use and was brought back into the system against once large scale employment post the introduction of mass production was brought forward. You are also comparing alcohol and cannabis. It's like comparing a monkey with a fish. Two completely different drugs, two completely different effects on a person and two completely different reactions. Let's lay down the law in reference to the two. Alcohol has a legitimate and known rehabilitation route. Cannabis, due to it's effect upon the morphic structure of the brain, does not. The fact it has a long running change in personality, behaviour, development highlights the problems here. The fact it can be produced cheaper, in bulk through hydroponics with very cheap equipment highlights how once you legalise you make things easier for the criminal (a point I have already made above and responded to previously a few times). In ending, I have to laugh that you call this a witch hunt. It's an argument and a very strong one as well. Maybe you can go to the homes of the people who have had friends and family's lives ruined by cannabis and tell them it's ok. Seriously man, if you think it's all A OK and that this is fine and dandy then cool but let's face facts, it's the general public, Free living individuals who pick up the mess... ...and the pro-cannabis stoners who are off their heads who write endless stuff against it. Then there are people who believe it because they think the Government is against it. If you don't like it - leave the country. It's an easy option - but why are you here? Oh, it's the liberties. There you go. |
It's official: you are the biggest wind up merchant on this forum who's posted a meandering essay that displays your total bias on the subject. There's so many of your points(?)that I want to respond to but I don't think you'll ever accept anything I say, no matter how I present my case. Your rhetoric and condemnation is astounding to me actually. Did you even read my comments, where I suggested that people should be given all the facts and dangers surrounding marijuana - just like they do with tobacco and alcohol- and that if the state did legalise it or decriminalise it to a certain extent , at least then it could be taxed and monitored.
Drug taking has always occurred throughout history; cannabis included! It's a naturally grown plant that's been used in many countries and civilisations. You continue to rant on about it not being natural which is so funny when the fecking thing is grown! They're from the same genus (Cannabis!) with hemp often the name used for all but hemp and cannabis are different strains of the plant ... you need to start reading about them before you start announcing that cannabis wasn't used centuries ago and isn't natural when it most definitely was and is. As for cannabis funding terrorism and crime; criminals will use the black market for a steady cash flow and to lay the blame on cannabis is just plain silly. My example of Prohibition in the States is extremely valid in that criminals will always seize an opportunity to make a fast, illegal buck. It's the illegality of the drug that's the problem with regard to crime and terrorism, not the drug itself. Anything on the black market can be funding terrorism at any moment.... ridiculous to lay the blame entirely on cannabis and really illustrates your crusade here. As for violent crime, like I said before, alcohol has always been responsible for more death and violence in our society and yet you decide to just turn a blind eye to it. Cannabis is not in the same league as alcohol and even tobacco in terms of addictive qualities and danger to ones health so I think I have a totally valid point in comparing it to them, particularly when you rant on about the government and democracy all the time. They're legal and have always been more dangerous.... where's the logic in that? Oh, and lets talk about friends and families lives that are being ruined by alcohol right now as we speak or indeed the staggering health bill that countries have to pay for lung disease and heart surgery or cancer. Don't start down that road because cannabis is small fry in comparison to those killers and yet there's no problem with them as long as the governement gets a big slice of peoples taxes in return. Don't bring ethics into this. It's not about running around and taking advantage of the system by the way... talk about over dramatising your position: you're a reactionary individual who just likes to get a rise out of people rather than to discuss it sensibly. I'm all for free will in a society, particularly when it involves a naturally grown plant and a decision made by an adult with regard to their own recreational time, just like the intake of alcohol, which is a more damaging drug anway -for both the drinker and those around him/her. Let them flake out at home at the weekend rather than smash a few windows or peoples heads in while on drink or drugs. They're not going to damage me on the stuff. Like I said, if it's legalised adults will have their own choice to make and the middle man - criminals- will be out of the picture and the state will be able to call the shots with regard to supply and taxation and all the rest. And I'll repeat, it's not even in the same league as alcohol, nevermind cocaine and heroin. |
you lot need a spliff methinks:joker:
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I have been personally afftected by the negative aspects of cannabis and can understand Massive Trucks point of view a nd have seen the evidence first hand...cannabis isnt the safe drug people like to think it is...no drug is, particularly the genetically manufactured s*** like skunk. However legalising the drug (and not just cannabis, all drugs) could actually reduce crime, regulate what is being sold and reduce the ill affects that ripple around the supply and usage of it. Somewhere in the UK not sure where, they have been piloting supplying heroin addicts with heroin. The associated crime has been reduced in that area and helped more people to come off the drug. How we tackle drugs now isnt working...
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I would only think it should be legalized for medical purposes, if it was legal it would be a lot safer and there are people in the world that would greatly benefit from the pain relief.
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Makes me laugh when people only look at the positives then spin all the negatives of other drugs to make it seem even better
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[rquote=2602569&tid=147499&author=Tom]Makes me laugh when people only look at the positives then spin all the negatives of other drugs to make it seem even better
[/rquote] go smoke a big doobie tom |
Nope, never smoked anything, don't plan to either :spin2:
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No, everything's better when you feel naughty doing it, plus, they'd tax the hell out of it.
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Most schizophrenic arguments around Cannabis today come from super strenght skunk rubbish being on the increase. If it were legal production would be controlled. Cannabis would be correctly grown, and not just easy to grow, profitable crops with huge amounts of THC and **** all anti anxiety cannabinoids in the plant
the reason people are loosing minds is because this stuff is grown in attics in artificial, chemicaly catalysed conditions. simple! ppl are gunna smoke it anyway. as long as their not breathing it into my bloody ears why should I care? take it out of the criminals hands! prohibition did not work with alcohol in the early 20th century! and for those saying it will never be legalised, calafornia are looking VERY positively on the matter nowdays. just google news search 'marijuana' or 'marijuana california' also - anybody else think MassiveTruck is ... how do I put this ... bat **** insane? |
also can I just add that stuff like mushrooms and cannabis, despite what a certain person is saying HAVE been used as drugs for thousands of years in multiple cultures. that is a fact.
and also I dont think cannabis is completely safe. in the wrong lazy hands with a troubled mind, it can turn people into a recluse, however it can only get safer legalised. my mates get glass sprayed on the weed now by greedy dealers, and cr*p hash is notorious for containing glue, vinyl, and other binding agents. Glass > Any possible 'study' on schizophrenia. A mass consumption of glass fibre because of prohibition in the long term could be disastrous. and the government isint warning people about it cause its illegal! so the facts are PEOPLE CAN GET WEED ANYWAY lets profit from them and stop filling our prison systems up with bloody stoners! lets grow the weed in safe, controlled conditions with high levels of all the essential anti anxiety cannabinoids that make up NATURAL weed! sorry for ranting, but I used to be the target of many alcohol related assaults before, and the idea that my dad is a criminal because he gets a bit high to watch the footie and eat a curry is quiet frankly ... disgustin |
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Oh geez!!! Cannabis is not a naturally occurring plant. OK? It's a drug, made from hemp. Marijuana. [/rquote] Oh. My. God. You know the whole reason the word 'cannabis' exists is because it's the genus name for the PLANT right? You grow cannabis/marijuana/weed whatever you want to call it, pluck the buds off them when shes ripe, dry the buds out and smoke them That. Is. That. You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about. I have WITNESSED A FRIEND grow and smoke the damn things this summer! Cannabis is hemp. Hemp is Cannabis. You grow a plant and you get a drug [THC] you can smoke, with hemp as a by product, or vice versa, depending on how you want to look at it. The two are inseperable, not withstanding any possible artificial means of producing one and not the other. And its a drug the MAJORITY of people smoke without problems or addictions. As a society our government is meant to cater to the majority aint it? A few thousand may have there mental illness aggravated because of it, but a few MILLION have been seperated form dere familys and put in prison because of it! Anybody who wants to keep it illegal is a moron. Fact. No room for debate. It becomes safer in the hands of regulation, just like while the perils of alcohol may still exist, most people are fine because they drink in pubs, and they dont import 90% proof milk cartons from a guy called johnny the axe down a back alley. |
[rquote=2605441&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]Most schizophrenic arguments around Cannabis today come from super strenght skunk rubbish being on the increase. If it were legal production would be controlled. Cannabis would be correctly grown, and not just easy to grow, profitable crops with huge amounts of THC and **** all anti anxiety cannabinoids in the plant
the reason people are loosing minds is because this stuff is grown in attics in artificial, chemicaly catalysed conditions. simple! ppl are gunna smoke it anyway. as long as their not breathing it into my bloody ears why should I care? take it out of the criminals hands! prohibition did not work with alcohol in the early 20th century! and for those saying it will never be legalised, calafornia are looking VERY positively on the matter nowdays. just google news search 'marijuana' or 'marijuana california' also - anybody else think MassiveTruck is ... how do I put this ... bat s*** insane?[/rquote] I agree its skunk thats the problem |
its a totally different drug, if you ask me. Just like how nobody considers a bottle of jaggermeister and a bottle of alcopop to be the same thing. But in an illegal marketplace dealers are not exactly mobile pick and mix coffee shops
[rquote=2599988&tid=147499&author=bananarama]No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......[/rquote] What an amazingly intricate way of putting a stereotype on twns of millions of people just because they are doing something you dont personally want to partake in. You ARE aware that the finnancial and emotional constraints of locking up each and every person caught with a twig of weed for decades would result in far more damage than the actual drug could ever hope to achieve both on the user and on the taxpayer? ****, u really thought that one through lol I suppose your not open to debate here, because your right, and we are all the waters. Actualy, theirs no debate. As long as free will exists your wrong. |
[rquote=2605862&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]its a totally different drug, if you ask me. Just like how nobody considers a bottle of jaggermeister and a bottle of alcopop to be the same thing. But in an illegal marketplace dealers are not exactly mobile pick and mix coffee shops
[rquote=2599988&tid=147499&author=bananarama]No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......[/rquote] What an amazingly intricate way of putting a stereotype on twns of millions of people just because they are doing something you dont personally want to partake in. You ARE aware that the finnancial and emotional constraints of locking up each and every person caught with a twig of weed for decades would result in far more damage than the actual drug could ever hope to achieve both on the user and on the taxpayer? ****, u really thought that one through lol I suppose your not open to debate here, because your right, and we are all the waters. Actualy, theirs no debate. As long as free will exists your wrong. [/rquote] Thank the Lord there's somebody else here with a rational and open mind on the subject! And you're right about the difference between naturally grown weed and the super skunk that's going about now: completely different smoke. |
[rquote=2602198&tid=147499&author=setanta]It's official: you are the biggest wind up merchant on this forum who's posted a meandering essay that displays your total bias on the subject. There's so many of your points(?)that I want to respond to but I don't think you'll ever accept anything I say, no matter how I present my case. Your rhetoric and condemnation is astounding to me actually. Did you even read my comments, where I suggested that people should be given all the facts and dangers surrounding marijuana - just like they do with tobacco and alcohol- and that if the state did legalise it or decriminalise it to a certain extent , at least then it could be taxed and monitored.
Drug taking has always occurred throughout history; cannabis included! It's a naturally grown plant that's been used in many countries and civilisations. You continue to rant on about it not being natural which is so funny when the fecking thing is grown! They're from the same genus (Cannabis!) with hemp often the name used for all but hemp and cannabis are different strains of the plant ... you need to start reading about them before you start announcing that cannabis wasn't used centuries ago and isn't natural when it most definitely was and is. As for cannabis funding terrorism and crime; criminals will use the black market for a steady cash flow and to lay the blame on cannabis is just plain silly. My example of Prohibition in the States is extremely valid in that criminals will always seize an opportunity to make a fast, illegal buck. It's the illegality of the drug that's the problem with regard to crime and terrorism, not the drug itself. Anything on the black market can be funding terrorism at any moment.... ridiculous to lay the blame entirely on cannabis and really illustrates your crusade here. As for violent crime, like I said before, alcohol has always been responsible for more death and violence in our society and yet you decide to just turn a blind eye to it. Cannabis is not in the same league as alcohol and even tobacco in terms of addictive qualities and danger to ones health so I think I have a totally valid point in comparing it to them, particularly when you rant on about the government and democracy all the time. They're legal and have always been more dangerous.... where's the logic in that? Oh, and lets talk about friends and families lives that are being ruined by alcohol right now as we speak or indeed the staggering health bill that countries have to pay for lung disease and heart surgery or cancer. Don't start down that road because cannabis is small fry in comparison to those killers and yet there's no problem with them as long as the governement gets a big slice of peoples taxes in return. Don't bring ethics into this. It's not about running around and taking advantage of the system by the way... talk about over dramatising your position: you're a reactionary individual who just likes to get a rise out of people rather than to discuss it sensibly. I'm all for free will in a society, particularly when it involves a naturally grown plant and a decision made by an adult with regard to their own recreational time, just like the intake of alcohol, which is a more damaging drug anway -for both the drinker and those around him/her. Let them flake out at home at the weekend rather than smash a few windows or peoples heads in while on drink or drugs. They're not going to damage me on the stuff. Like I said, if it's legalised adults will have their own choice to make and the middle man - criminals- will be out of the picture and the state will be able to call the shots with regard to supply and taxation and all the rest. And I'll repeat, it's not even in the same league as alcohol, nevermind cocaine and heroin. [/rquote] I didn't want to come back here because you haven't got a clue what you're talking about but anyway here I am. Let me put this straigh. I DEMAND ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I POSED. ANSWERS TO ALL THE QUESTIONS. Is that clear? Basically your tact is get angry, make accusations and hope in vain that the other person gets angry and responds in anger and then your lack of knowledge won't be an issue in the situations at all... right? I really do love how you've avoided all the questions I asked you and how you twist it with quotes from wiki, word for word in order to make it look like you know what you're talking about. Cannabis the drug and Cannabis the plant are 2 very different things. YOU are using the pro-cannabis websites for information. The Pro-cannabis websites use this rhetoric that it is only a plant over and over again and fail miserably because anybody who is: intelligent enough intellectual enough will see right through the bullshit and say "oh, but a carrot or a cucumber don't do that to me". So how can you pathetically insult somebody's intelligence and just call it a plant. How many plants are in the world? Is a cucumber plant poisonous? Is a cucumber plant predatory. Let me ask you a simple straight forward question that you could easily answer ARE SOME PLANTS DANGEROUS AND ARE SOME PLANTS NOT DANGEROUS? Is that an easy question because you've avoided so many questions. Let me repeat it. ARE SOME PLANTS DANGEROUS AND ARE SOME PLANTS NOT DANGEROUS? It's a simple question isn't it. It's basically fooled the idiots on the pro-cannabis sites, the vast majority drug dealers, where you have to get your arguments from because you're too left wing but not experienced enough to get your own arguments. Then you use words like biassed, reactionary and nonsense like that. Well the last time I checked, I've used actual facts and actual data and actual research and studies while you've just tried to start an argument and you know why you have? Simple because you find it hard to believe that maybe, drugs are bad. Maybe, all of these people saying "hey, my son committed suicide because of Cannabis" could be right and the rise in schizophrenia (factors that you so happily ignore) are too much information for your pseudo-liberalised nonsense to stomach. OK... Here are some natural things. Black widow spiders, spears, knives, poison, man, all of these things can kill me. You use the word natural like it's your new best friend. Do you know what else is natural? Infection, disease, viruses. They all kill you. Some plants, Plants like Hemp are also natural. When somebody dries it up and formulates it, it becomes cannabis and when smoked it becomes drug like. But oddly that's natural to you. Here's a clue... It's not natural to me and for most of the world!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Try to understand the semantics of plant and natural before you use it because the idiots that you copy from the internet for this information only fool people who can't think for themselves. OK, there are numerous strains of hemp. It's still natural and still dangerous. Still used for terrorist activities and still the major provider to all the people in this country in order to fund terrorist activities. Most of it comes from Afghanistan who kill our soldiers with the arms they bought because we wanted to get stoned. If you legalise it. (let me repeat this IF you legalise it... it makes it a law, a law that can be exploited. Like the human rights law is exploited. Much like many other laws are exploited. If you make a drug part of a law then criminals will bloody well exploit it. And let me add something else. You've got to be bat s*** idiotic and completely stupid to think that a law surrounded by a drug won't make life easier for criminals. You have to be flying high as a kite or have as much experience in your life as an embryo - that being none. You have to be utterly stupid basically or just liberal on the basis of lifestyle and identity. Quote:
Do you know gun licences in the USA are legal? Do you know how many people die there? Do you know there are laws in some countries in the world - do you know how many people suffer? Did you know in California and other states and countries where they legalised marijuana, over night rehab clinics and rehab marketing and advertisements popped up. A goldmine industry for tonnes of people. Did you know that importing Cannabis into the USA to Cannabis friendly states has led to a rise in money laundering, cross bordering killings and rapes in order to get the drug into marijuana friendly states? I mean, seriously, anybody and everybody knows that countries that legalise any drug do it to combat deficits in GDP since neighbouring states or countries are beating them with a far more efficient taxation system... I though that was obvious... it isn't? Oh. News to me. I mean, you know, in a world where the state controls it - I mean... in your view, the criminal is dead once we legalise drugs. Wow... I can't believe that logic... Carry on. I'm not stopping you to be liberal about it but really... read the news. Check out the studies and keep up to date. It's quite straight forward stuff but hey if you're for free will and liberty and all that, read up on the people who haven't recovered from hippy flashbacks from the sixties and live day and night from danger of flashbacks. That's why we have laws against it. ;) Straight forward and simple but this country lets you choose an identity. I'm not denying you that. You be happy with that identity mate, but a word of advice... considering what you're saying here. Don't go and volunteer at any mental hospital anytime soon... You may not like what you see. |
[rquote=2607566&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2602198&tid=147499&author=setanta]It's official: you are the biggest wind up merchant on this forum who's posted a meandering essay that displays your total bias on the subject. There's so many of your points(?)that I want to respond to but I don't think you'll ever accept anything I say, no matter how I present my case. Your rhetoric and condemnation is astounding to me actually. Did you even read my comments, where I suggested that people should be given all the facts and dangers surrounding marijuana - just like they do with tobacco and alcohol- and that if the state did legalise it or decriminalise it to a certain extent , at least then it could be taxed and monitored.
Drug taking has always occurred throughout history; cannabis included! It's a naturally grown plant that's been used in many countries and civilisations. You continue to rant on about it not being natural which is so funny when the fecking thing is grown! They're from the same genus (Cannabis!) with hemp often the name used for all but hemp and cannabis are different strains of the plant ... you need to start reading about them before you start announcing that cannabis wasn't used centuries ago and isn't natural when it most definitely was and is. As for cannabis funding terrorism and crime; criminals will use the black market for a steady cash flow and to lay the blame on cannabis is just plain silly. My example of Prohibition in the States is extremely valid in that criminals will always seize an opportunity to make a fast, illegal buck. It's the illegality of the drug that's the problem with regard to crime and terrorism, not the drug itself. Anything on the black market can be funding terrorism at any moment.... ridiculous to lay the blame entirely on cannabis and really illustrates your crusade here. As for violent crime, like I said before, alcohol has always been responsible for more death and violence in our society and yet you decide to just turn a blind eye to it. Cannabis is not in the same league as alcohol and even tobacco in terms of addictive qualities and danger to ones health so I think I have a totally valid point in comparing it to them, particularly when you rant on about the government and democracy all the time. They're legal and have always been more dangerous.... where's the logic in that? Oh, and lets talk about friends and families lives that are being ruined by alcohol right now as we speak or indeed the staggering health bill that countries have to pay for lung disease and heart surgery or cancer. Don't start down that road because cannabis is small fry in comparison to those killers and yet there's no problem with them as long as the governement gets a big slice of peoples taxes in return. Don't bring ethics into this. It's not about running around and taking advantage of the system by the way... talk about over dramatising your position: you're a reactionary individual who just likes to get a rise out of people rather than to discuss it sensibly. I'm all for free will in a society, particularly when it involves a naturally grown plant and a decision made by an adult with regard to their own recreational time, just like the intake of alcohol, which is a more damaging drug anway -for both the drinker and those around him/her. Let them flake out at home at the weekend rather than smash a few windows or peoples heads in while on drink or drugs. They're not going to damage me on the stuff. Like I said, if it's legalised adults will have their own choice to make and the middle man - criminals- will be out of the picture and the state will be able to call the shots with regard to supply and taxation and all the rest. And I'll repeat, it's not even in the same league as alcohol, nevermind cocaine and heroin. [/rquote] I didn't want to come back here because you haven't got a clue what you're talking about but anyway here I am. Let me put this straigh. I DEMAND ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS I POSED. ANSWERS TO ALL THE QUESTIONS. Is that clear? Basically your tact is get angry, make accusations and hope in vain that the other person gets angry and responds in anger and then your lack of knowledge won't be an issue in the situations at all... right? I really do love how you've avoided all the questions I asked you and how you twist it with quotes from wiki, word for word in order to make it look like you know what you're talking about. Cannabis the drug and Cannabis the plant are 2 very different things. YOU are using the pro-cannabis websites for information. The Pro-cannabis websites use this rhetoric that it is only a plant over and over again and fail miserably because anybody who is: intelligent enough intellectual enough will see right through the bullshit and say "oh, but a carrot or a cucumber don't do that to me". So how can you pathetically insult somebody's intelligence and just call it a plant. How many plants are in the world? Is a cucumber plant poisonous? Is a cucumber plant predatory. Let me ask you a simple straight forward question that you could easily answer ARE SOME PLANTS DANGEROUS AND ARE SOME PLANTS NOT DANGEROUS? Is that an easy question because you've avoided so many questions. Let me repeat it. ARE SOME PLANTS DANGEROUS AND ARE SOME PLANTS NOT DANGEROUS? It's a simple question isn't it. It's basically fooled the idiots on the pro-cannabis sites, the vast majority drug dealers, where you have to get your arguments from because you're too left wing but not experienced enough to get your own arguments. Then you use words like biassed, reactionary and nonsense like that. Well the last time I checked, I've used actual facts and actual data and actual research and studies while you've just tried to start an argument and you know why you have? Simple because you find it hard to believe that maybe, drugs are bad. Maybe, all of these people saying "hey, my son committed suicide because of Cannabis" could be right and the rise in schizophrenia (factors that you so happily ignore) are too much information for your pseudo-liberalised nonsense to stomach. OK... Here are some natural things. Black widow spiders, spears, knives, poison, man, all of these things can kill me. You use the word natural like it's your new best friend. Do you know what else is natural? Infection, disease, viruses. They all kill you. Some plants, Plants like Hemp are also natural. When somebody dries it up and formulates it, it becomes cannabis and when smoked it becomes drug like. But oddly that's natural to you. Here's a clue... It's not natural to me and for most of the world!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Try to understand the semantics of plant and natural before you use it because the idiots that you copy from the internet for this information only fool people who can't think for themselves. OK, there are numerous strains of hemp. It's still natural and still dangerous. Still used for terrorist activities and still the major provider to all the people in this country in order to fund terrorist activities. Most of it comes from Afghanistan who kill our soldiers with the arms they bought because we wanted to get stoned. If you legalise it. (let me repeat this IF you legalise it... it makes it a law, a law that can be exploited. Like the human rights law is exploited. Much like many other laws are exploited. If you make a drug part of a law then criminals will bloody well exploit it. And let me add something else. You've got to be bat s*** idiotic and completely stupid to think that a law surrounded by a drug won't make life easier for criminals. You have to be flying high as a kite or have as much experience in your life as an embryo - that being none. You have to be utterly stupid basically or just liberal on the basis of lifestyle and identity. Quote:
Do you know gun licences in the USA are legal? Do you know how many people die there? Do you know there are laws in some countries in the world - do you know how many people suffer? Did you know in California and other states and countries where they legalised marijuana, over night rehab clinics and rehab marketing and advertisements popped up. A goldmine industry for tonnes of people. Did you know that importing Cannabis into the USA to Cannabis friendly states has led to a rise in money laundering, cross bordering killings and rapes in order to get the drug into marijuana friendly states? I mean, seriously, anybody and everybody knows that countries that legalise any drug do it to combat deficits in GDP since neighbouring states or countries are beating them with a far more efficient taxation system... I though that was obvious... it isn't? Oh. News to me. I mean, you know, in a world where the state controls it - I mean... in your view, the criminal is dead once we legalise drugs. Wow... I can't believe that logic... Carry on. I'm not stopping you to be liberal about it but really... read the news. Check out the studies and keep up to date. It's quite straight forward stuff but hey if you're for free will and liberty and all that, read up on the people who haven't recovered from hippy flashbacks from the sixties and live day and night from danger of flashbacks. That's why we have laws against it. ;) Straight forward and simple but this country lets you choose an identity. I'm not denying you that. You be happy with that identity mate, but a word of advice... considering what you're saying here. Don't go and volunteer at any mental hospital anytime soon... You may not like what you see.[/rquote] I can't answer to you anymore because you're quite literally the most patronising individual I've ever had the displeasure of talking to and if you scroll back to the start of this "discussion" you'll see that you are the one who's continually trying to goad and provoke with your tone, which is totally condescending and motivated by some immature need within you to belittle others with your irrational and biased methods of persuasion. Seriously, you're intention was never to have an intelligent conversation here: you were just keen on venting, with cannabis (a natural drug- a potato is still a potato when it's cooked! That's how mental your approach is at times) being your particular target right now. There's no balance in anything you say. |
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I can't answer to you anymore because you're quite literally the most patronising individual I've ever had the displeasure of talking to and if you scroll back to the start of this "discussion" you'll see that you are the one who's continually trying to goad and provoke with your tone, which is totally condescending and motivated by some immature need within you to belittle others with your irrational and biased methods of persuasion. Seriously, you're intention was never to have an intelligent conversation here: you were just keen on venting, with cannabis (a natural drug- a potato is still a potato when it's cooked! That's how mental your approach is at times) being your particular target right now. There's no balance in anything you say.[/rquote] No way. You can't answer the questions and that's what it's all about. You have difficulty responding to the facts about the drug and that's all it's about. You talk about goading and persuading and immaturity but you yourself resort to words like bias, reactionary in order to avoid sticking to topic and discussion. It's nothing to do with me. You simply can't accept the facts relating to what drugs are and that this is a drug. It's quite a straight forward response and in summary it is thus Guns are legal - and they still kill. Not all plants are good for you. Not all natural things keep you alive. That is the whole of your argument destroyed. This is why you can't accept it and I think you shouldn't come running to me with anger but the people who gave you this argument on the pro-cannabis websites. I know there is nothing wrong in what I say because it's based upon facts. I know there is a whole load of things wrong with your because you play with limited semantics. Like thus and I'll repeat: Guns are legal - and they still kill. Not all plants are good for you. Not all natural things keep you alive. And as I said, not everybody falls for the "oh it's natural, oh it's a plant oh if it's legal it will be better". We don't fall for it because we have a brain and can think for ourselves since we don't need liberalism as an identity. Answer the questions but I think the only solution you have is to discuss but discussing will mean abandoning your beliefs and those are staunchly stuck in a liberalised identity and identity is stuck in the cerebra as everything you are. Like I said, then, above, I don't expect you to bide with me so that blows your persuade and goad argument - this is the identity you want. But don't blame me that you can't respond. I offer you clear and concise views on the state of things as of today in the world we live in. I don't just go to one person for views. I've read all studies, all pro and con websites and so I know all the liars, all the fools and all the cheats. As I said, Carry on, but don't taint me with any of your brushes. Just don't respond. |
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I can't answer to you anymore because you're quite literally the most patronising individual I've ever had the displeasure of talking to and if you scroll back to the start of this "discussion" you'll see that you are the one who's continually trying to goad and provoke with your tone, which is totally condescending and motivated by some immature need within you to belittle others with your irrational and biased methods of persuasion. Seriously, you're intention was never to have an intelligent conversation here: you were just keen on venting, with cannabis (a natural drug- a potato is still a potato when it's cooked! That's how mental your approach is at times) being your particular target right now. There's no balance in anything you say.[/rquote] No way. You can't answer the questions and that's what it's all about. You have difficulty responding to the facts about the drug and that's all it's about. You talk about goading and persuading and immaturity but you yourself resort to words like bias, reactionary in order to avoid sticking to topic and discussion. It's nothing to do with me. You simply can't accept the facts relating to what drugs are and that this is a drug. It's quite a straight forward response and in summary it is thus Guns are legal - and they still kill. Not all plants are good for you. Not all natural things keep you alive. That is the whole of your argument destroyed. This is why you can't accept it and I think you shouldn't come running to me with anger but the people who gave you this argument on the pro-cannabis websites. I know there is nothing wrong in what I say because it's based upon facts. I know there is a whole load of things wrong with your because you play with limited semantics. Like thus and I'll repeat: Guns are legal - and they still kill. Not all plants are good for you. Not all natural things keep you alive. And as I said, not everybody falls for the "oh it's natural, oh it's a plant oh if it's legal it will be better". We don't fall for it because we have a brain and can think for ourselves since we don't need liberalism as an identity. Answer the questions but I think the only solution you have is to discuss but discussing will mean abandoning your beliefs and those are staunchly stuck in a liberalised identity and identity is stuck in the cerebra as everything you are. Like I said, then, above, I don't expect you to bide with me so that blows your persuade and goad argument - this is the identity you want. But don't blame me that you can't respond. I offer you clear and concise views on the state of things as of today in the world we live in. I don't just go to one person for views. I've read all studies, all pro and con websites and so I know all the liars, all the fools and all the cheats. As I said, Carry on, but don't taint me with any of your brushes. Just don't respond.[/rquote] It's quite incredible the lengths with which you'll go to satisfy your ego and your beliefs when it concerns this subject. I've never suggested that all natural things are healthy for you. On the contrary, there are many living organisms or inanimate objects on this planet that may injure me, even the most seemingly harmless of things, but to attack me over this point is really akin to saying jumping is a natural activity that most people do from time to time but does that mean I'll jump off a cliff anytime soon or just fall awkwardly and break my neck? You'll literally do anything to prove that this drug has no place in today's society and is a major threat to the very fabric of our way of life when it's abundantly clear that there are many smoking it and enjoying it all over the world, and it has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's all about free choice for the individual. What I've said is that in comparison to drugs that are chemically altered and sold legally all over the world cannabis is really small fry and has been used for centuries, no matter how much you beg to differ. Your stats prove nothing other than marijuana can be associated on occassion with violent crime but I have argued that it's because of it's illegality that such cases pop up with it owing more to the arena in which the good is bought and sold. And your facts on the drug itself, it's effects and it's composition have been challenged on here by not just me,. Yes, and I do have my own free will, as all people do and that's my issue here, particularly when it involves a naturally grown plant that people have been denied access to. If somebody wants to smoke it for recreational purposes than I have literally no problem with it, as long as they're not going to work everyday on the stuff which would obviously be grounds for dismissal anyway. With the proper monitoring and policies adapted, the sale, quality and laws regarding the substance can be controlled. It's already been decriminalised in many countries- this is not a problem that you can just turn your back on or demonise. People will smoke it and everyone I know who does still goes to work and functions on the level that is required of a citizen in any country. The stats prove that it's nowhere near as dangerous as you would have us think, particularly when grown naturally. And of course it will take the money out of the criminals hands if it's legalised because, as it's natural, it can be grown anywhere really. Sure in some countries you're even allowed to grow one plant for personal use! |
MassiveTruck is a joke. He mentions poisonous plants and things like guns that can kill you. Yes. All true. But Cannabis can not kill you. It is IMPOSSIBLE. There have been no recorded DIRECT deaths as a DIRECT result of the ingestion of the drug. The drug which is administered through the smoking of the buds of the CANNABIS PLANT. There is no such thing as a hemp plant you can create a Cannabis drug from. Call it a hemp plant, call it a dope plant, call it what you will, IT'S THE SAME THING, I KNOW PEOPLE WHO GROW THE THING AND I HAVE SMOKED IT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS.
Your using the fact that not all natural things are good for you and some can kill you as an end unto itself. Cannabis is not great for your body, nothing smoked is, but what about your mind? The things about Cannabis people dont measure? How many people know the risks of smoking yet still make the decision to smoke Cannabis because it helps them relax? Good for them. They are here for a good life, not a long life. And as long as they are sticking to their couches, eating doritos and not getting agressive, what has it got to do with me? Nothing. Alcohol abusers on the other hand often create trouble. The biggest trouble in my area comes from gangs trafficking poor quality weed. If we could buy Cannabis in a pharmacy or other places of retail PEOPLE WOULD NOT GO TO DEALERS. Why would they? Even if they did not like tax they could just GROW THEIR OWN! No more poor quality weed. No more gangs making money from Cannabis. It would also be harder to get. Not sure has MassiveTruck noticed, but not a lot of dealers ask for ID. As for the ''some can kill you'' part, nobody has ever overdosed on Cannabis. You may smoke too much and pass out, but toxicologicaly speaking, you cant OD on it. And im not sure on the figures, but contray to popular belief, most stoners dont get high to go out and play in traffic. In fact, you are more likely to stay in home or play it extra safe crossing roads. In comparison to the other 'main' recreational drugs in the world Cannabis is by far the safest. This is a fact. Glass tinged bud and hash laced with adhesive are all by products of it's illegality. This is a fact. Mental illness catalysing super strenght Cannabis grown in artificial conditions could be controlled and even stopped if it were not for it's illegality. This is a fact. Correct me if I am going a *teeny* bit overboard here, but anybody who sprouts the line ''Guns are legal - and they still kill.'' in a debate about CANNABIS probably needs there OWN mental health re evaluated. Quickly. Glass bud, laced hash, the cost of the war on drugs to the government, and the cost, both emotional and financial, of seperating tens of thousands of innocent pot smokers from there familys, as well as the PROVEN medicinal benefits of the plant all OUTWEIGH any possible negative concequences the drug could POSSIBLY EVER have. That is a FACT. If you cant do the simple guesstimate figures on prison system clogging, contamination, gangland trade and medicinal benefits versus stoners getting lazy and a few people having there mental illness aggrevated through abuse of the drug you really are a ****ing dope. MOST PEOPLE smoke away with no problems. Just like most people drink with no problems. Governments are meant to CATER TO THE MAJORITY. If you think this is a health argument, go to jail, do not pass go and do not collect. It's simply spawned from racist agendas and oil/alcohol/tobacco lobbies, and very few governments have been brave enough to tackle it since. If you think Cannabis was outlawed for your safety, your a ****ing idiot. Another fact. Nobody even knew the full risks versus rewards at the time of it's banning. It was a snap decision in the states based purely on culture phobia. Here are three more inescapable, unarguable facts : 1. Prohibition did not work with Alcohol. 2. The war on drugs, which Cannabis plays a big part in, will never be won. People have free will. People want to smoke. 3. Decriminalization in Portugal WORKED. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvUgJEhQ5cY Watch. It's not bias. It's not made up. It's not taking sides. It quotes exact reasons for Cannabis' illegality at different points in American history. And it is plain for all with an open mind who watch it to see that the drug/plant's prohibition has been a joke that has COST US MORE MONEY AND MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN JAIL THAN CAN EVER, EVER, EVER BE HARMED. And once again, if you cant guesstimate the simple figures on that one, I worry for you. Now kindly, with a cherry on the top, p**s off and let people smoke there buds. Oh, you want another one? One broadcast on cable TV from two guy's who dont even like pot? Sure, here you go!... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ZOw...x=0&playnext=1 |
Let me start by saying, if you accept my view on things, fine, I will disappear.
If you abuse and insult and make out you know better without evidence, then I will return. Well I don't know if it's your lack of knowledge, your ignorance to facts or your inability to answer and respond to questions that makes me laugh or in fact the videos you post from the pro cannabis council - or maybe it's your need to hurl insults and abuse that makes me laugh a lot. For instance Probe Eight, you basically repeat yourself about he same thing. It can be responded with the simple answer as - it's propoganda you're posting that has no relevance to the global problem and ignores it as well. Those videos for instance. They are biassed. You do know that all those pro-cannabis websites don't have an iota of evidence for what they say. While Setanta you think that if you put yourself forward as smart or intelligent then you can get away from answering questions, mainly by belittling the person you are responding to. You seem to think the mental health problem is due to hydroponics but that's not true either because most people take Cannabis for it's high THC content and therefore need these types of strains to feel sedated and basically escape from their lives. All Cannabis has these problems (see small number of links below) You do know that Portugal only legalised drugs because of the massive drug problem they had (which was causing problems for the economy) so they decided to tax insurance companies and create rehab treatment and other ventures to make money from addicts. People in rehab in Portugal is through the roof by the way - and this due to decriminalising of drugs - so it makes it easier to be an addict? Get it. Portugal has stopped targeting drug dealers and instead just shove people into rehab. They are still there, it's just their life is easier - which... erm... is what I just told you? Yeah. Please, join the dots. It's not hard. I mean seriously, criminals will disappear because users will buy their stock from shops... erm... yeah... that will happen, I am sure... if you're naive that is. Wow...! Anyway, cutting a long story short... I might as well just post some links for you to respond to. Before you read them, realise that some people, in fact the vast majority of people have a life and they don't need drugs and you forget about the peopel who have families, friends and health systems who have to struggle due to drugs. Go for it. It's liberty isn't it - not mine but at least I care. That's the difference between me and you. Reply to these. Enjoy. Cannabis alters DNA, lowers immunity, heightens disease risks http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1 Schizophrenia link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2407027.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4486548.stm Marijuana withdrawal symptom http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...54701?verify=0 Rise in drug deaths due to Cannabis rise http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aths-rise.html Problems with drug dealers and rise in crime due to downgrading http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...locked-up.html Cannabis could kill thousands http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2995275.stm Cannabis use, hundreds of deaths a year http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ner-warns.html Cannabis users five times more prone to violence http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1 Drug use spirals - review drug laws http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...944CBF228BDB97 Portugal's (and other country's) soft use on cannabis causes problems elsewhere http://www.lca-uk.org/news/shownewsa...rticleid=14736 Problems in dealing with drug related problems http://www.springerlink.com/content/m72755578r724363/ Decriminalisation in portugal leading to lowering of drug use is due to fiddling of statististics http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...893946,00.html Portugal's rise in drug treatment rockets due to decriminilization http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/html.cfm/index35987EN.html Marijuana withdrawal and nightmares http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...e5557b&t=95618 Rise in rehab due to cannabis downgrade http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ed-double.html Problems with studying cannabis due to strains and mental health issues and side effects http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../15107.htm#a12 Schizophrenia/psychosis and cannabis http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=30 Problems with drug treatment with sex offenders due to legalisation in California http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/us/27parole.html?hp Drug trafficking in Canada leads to Murder capital (take note of legalisation effects here!!) http://www.vancouversun.com/farming+...138/story.html Drug trouble in Canada's Paradise http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8231534.stm Marijuana and testicular cancer http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...he-marijuana16 Cannabis and suicide http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3953555.ece http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes...es/s473102.htm http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...007061,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/405259.stm http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....s_suicide.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1156893.ece http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/ha...ile.5260493.jp http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Hanged-man...ion.5276374.jp http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...C4FE611DDB7A19 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-suicide.html Canada's Drug Crime rate due to decriminilising http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/cana.../10955301.html Drug rehab for kids on cannabis http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/n...A20%3A48%3A330 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ch...50-a-week.html http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/marijuana-rehab Addiction http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...addiction.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5946633.ece Mental Illness http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ts-397449.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bis-users.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0602160845.htm http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...hosis_risk.xml http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/asp...articleid=2038 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...gy-440730.html http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=27 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a98f9ab41ded86 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llness-40.html http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/ne...ned_by_police/ http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...s@ntlworld.com http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...t/66/1/95?home Dutch problems with Cannabis http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SpG82yJ8piAGlg California problems with cannabis http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...ion/oe-maher21 Drug dependency in newborns http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1693502.html Causal association between cannabis and psychosis http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/184/2/110 Slavery and Cannabis http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-...farms-children Cannabis overdose http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/new...46-23684609/2/ Pharmaceutical, clinically developed drug so no need to smoke cannabis for MS http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focus...492783,00.html Skunk Knife murderer http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...D6DE77E0635A80 Psychotic Cannabis user knifes policeman http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ath/article.do Cannabis induced driver leaves girlfriend for dead http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html More on pharmaceutical use of cannabis to stop "recreational use" http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...t-anymore.html Man stabbed to death http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-brother.html Portugal fall in crime rate is due to decriminilisation - problems still rife http://www.addictionpro.com/ME2/dirm...B52AD812DC3644 Quote:
Drug peddling http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/44286...ne_by_bicycle/ "recreational" effects on family http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...-dealer-father Drug enduced fatal accident http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=14004 Cannabis used as rape drug http://www.3news.co.nz/News/National...4/Default.aspx |
*Sigh* Wrong again. Yes, most people smoke for the THC, but regardless of how much THC content is contained within Cannabis [I assume you have given up your argument that the plant and the drug are two different things?] you also need counter balancing levels of cannabidiol and other anti-anxiety agents that make up the Cannabis plant and her buds. It is this lack of these agents by artificially grown, as a result of illegality, Cannabis that makes users paranoid. I do not consider artificially grown Cannabis and natural Cannabis to be equal. Just like how I don't compare Heroin to Khat.
So once again, there you have it. Legal Cannabis = people allowed to grow it = safer Cannabis [I notice you have also once again ignored my contamination arguments, as well as the clogging of the prison system and drain on resources in other vital areas, and the fact that the majority of smokers do so with zero trouble, which all combined crush virtually every link you have posted]. And yes, I feel up for insulting you. YOU insult me. Anybody who tries to tell me some of my friends are criminals for choosing to smoke Cannabis offend me. What you don't realize when you are giving these links is that your links are also biased. Mine cater to the majority. You are posting news stories from virtually every negative Cannabis instance you can find. I could do the same for food packaging. I am sure if I were driven by insane forces as you are, I could come up with 44 or so links of instances of dumb people being killed by trying to open a can of baked beans or tuna. Of COURSE if you search Cannabis suicide, and Cannabis rape drug, and Cannabis mental illness, your going to get those results. Because bad people in the world use Cannabis. No point denying that. But the good far outweigh it. Your talking about dozens of cases of Cannabis rape, and Cannabis suicide, versus the MILLIONS who use it daily as a relaxation agent, and whom have done so THROUGHOUT HISTORY! Something else you denied earlier, that you now ignore. As you are obviously in this for a miserable little argument and know nothing about the rich culture that surrounds the drug and the plant. More people have died as a direct result of water overdose [too much water, yes, it is possible] than Cannabis. Just goes to show, eh? Quote:
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What about the MILLIONS of people who have to struggle in cages made for rapists and murderers because of Cannabis's legal status? The millions of people who all easily outweigh each and every link you posted? Again, it's simple common sense guesstimate. If you read and studied each and every one of those links, I will eat my hat. Of course you did not, we all know it, but your not going to admit it. And that is fine. Feel you are justified for trying to search every negative cannabis instance possible on Google and ask yourself ... do those figures measure up to the millions throughout human history and up to this point in time who smoke Cannabis, even those on a daily basis, without problems? Of course not. Not even close. Because it's simple math. Fact. |
You're not as clued up as you would like to think about the subject. In fact, you're not even close to be honest.
Firstly, your links prove nothing. Just a flimsy celeb led publicity campaign aimed at people with an IQ below 80 filled with abuse at the government. Idiotic at best. LOL, I loved the *sigh* as though you knew what you were talking about but then you failed so badly on explaining it. PMSL :laugh2: You should really consider reading up on CBD, Cannabidiols, Canniboids and also THC too. Really know the difference man. Seriously. The plant and the drug are the same and I haven't given up. Have you given up attempting to respond to the almost hundreds of claims I have made? I guess you have. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]*Sigh* Wrong again. Yes, most people smoke for the THC, but regardless of how much THC content is contained within Cannabis [I assume you have given up your argument that the plant and the drug are two different things?] you also need counter balancing levels of cannabidiol and other anti-anxiety agents that make up the Cannabis plant and her buds. [/rquote] This doesn't make any sense. People who want to smoke Cannabis will want to smoke it for whatever purposes they want to. In most cases and as I stated to you, it is for the THC content and the reason for this is to get sedated. Basically - the higher the THC content, the higher the sedation. The lack of THC and the higher the CBD - means no sedation. How many people looking for Cannabis do you know who don't want to be sedated. Might I add, you appear to be ignoring all the claims I made above by going off on a tangent about a subject you appear to have not even a vague understanding? You appear to be making this up on the spot, just by picking up the words from somewhere. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] It is this lack of these agents by artificially grown, as a result of illegality, Cannabis that makes users paranoid. I do not consider artificially grown Cannabis and natural Cannabis to be equal. Just like how I don't compare Heroin to Khat.[/rquote] Again, you are wrong. People who have smoked Cannabis have had paranoia, mental health problems for years. Look at my links, visit my links above and you'll find it very hard to argue against this. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] So once again, there you have it. Legal Cannabis = people allowed to grow it = safer Cannabis [I notice you have also once again ignored my contamination arguments, as well as the clogging of the prison system and drain on resources in other vital areas, and the fact that the majority of smokers do so with zero trouble, which all combined crush virtually every link you have posted].[/rquote] Nothing has been ignored if you even attempted to look at the links. All the responses are there in cold hard studies and reviews and statistics. Fascinating how you claim I have ignored somehting when I haven't. Why do you think Cannabis is safe? It's been a problematic drug for years. It is the THC that causes problems. Why have you not visited the links Why have you ignored all the links I posted? Why are you stating that I ignored you when you have not attempted to visit the countless amounts of evidence I have given you? [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] And yes, I feel up for insulting you. YOU insult me. Anybody who tries to tell me some of my friends are criminals for choosing to smoke Cannabis offend me. [/rquote] No, you're only insulting because you only see your own argument on something and fail to answer back. You did the same in Big Brother threads, ignoring what somebody says and just beating to the sound of your own drum and now you do that here too. Ignoring all the evidence provided. I have lots more evidence too. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] What you don't realize when you are giving these links is that your links are also biased. Mine cater to the majority. [/rquote] Biassed? BIASSED? are you joking? LOL, they are about Cannabis and countless amounts of data regarding it. Oh what a Kop out. I just counter argued you and your only response is bias. Well done. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] You are posting news stories from virtually every negative Cannabis instance you can find. I could do the same for food packaging. I am sure if I were driven by insane forces as you are, I could come up with 44 or so links of instances of dumb people being killed by trying to open a can of baked beans or tuna.[/rquote] The news stories are alongside academic publications, numerous amounts of research and data and evidence. But erm... as per usual, you've decided to ignore all that haven't you. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Of COURSE if you search Cannabis suicide, and Cannabis rape drug, and Cannabis mental illness, your going to get those results.[/rquote] Isn't that because Cannabis causes mental illness, is used as a date rape drug and people have committed suicided under cannabis? It's quite straight forward. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Because bad people in the world use Cannabis. No point denying that. But the good far outweigh it. [/rquote] Fantastic argument. Because people are using cannabis to sell arms, drugs - let's forget about that, because people are getting stoned. Very good argument... NOT! [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Your talking about dozens of cases of Cannabis rape, and Cannabis suicide, versus the MILLIONS who use it daily as a relaxation agent, and whom have done so THROUGHOUT HISTORY! [/rquote] Erm. there is a stat where it states that 9 in 10 regular Cannabis users suffer from paranoia and other mental distress on a regular basis, but you'd prefer to ignore that and the suicides and the life long mental illness. All chronic users suffer from life long problems by the way. But you chose to ignore that. Wonderful how you ignore so much... How odd... [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Something else you denied earlier, that you now ignore. As you are obviously in this for a miserable little argument and know nothing about the rich culture that surrounds the drug and the plant.[/rquote] You mean the drug that causes mental illness and mental distress to most users. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] More people have died as a direct result of water overdose [too much water, yes, it is possible] than Cannabis. Just goes to show, eh?[/rquote] LOL... yeah, let's ban water but let's not ban Cannabis that causes so many problems in the world because it's so cheap to produce. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Crminals using CANNABIS as a currency in this country. Obviously, criminals will always exist.[/rquote] Err... yeah, here is contradiction number 4354354386 by you. If criminals remain, they will continue to peddle the drug at a cheaper price? And can avoid legalities and getting caught like in Portugal? Yeah... get the picture? Join the dots? [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] The vast majority of people on this planet use drugs. Like it or not. Be it Cannabis, alcohol, cigarettes or prescription pain killers. People use drugs.[/rquote] Alcohol not included and pain killers that are legal - the vast majority do not use drugs. Quote:
[rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] What about the MILLIONS of people who have to struggle in cages made for rapists and murderers because of Cannabis's legal status? The millions of people who all easily outweigh each and every link you posted? Again, it's simple common sense guesstimate.[/rquote] They fuel an industry that exploits people by selling a drug to them that is part of the same system that rapists and murderers exist in. Away from your stoner paradise - try and see beyond that. At least visit the links and accept that it is causing a huge problem instead of denying the very much obvious? [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] If you read and studied each and every one of those links, I will eat my hat. Of course you did not, we all know it, but your not going to admit it. And that is fine. [/rquote] LOL - I have man. Of course I have. I have all these saved as well as hundreds more backing up the fact that this drug is a mess to anybody who uses it. Those links are just a fraction of what I have saved :spin2: Tell you the truth, regarding the facts around this drug, I'm just getting warmed up. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Feel you are justified for trying to search every negative cannabis instance possible on Google and ask yourself ... [/rquote] It's because people suffer from the drug dude. No smoke, no fire... people in mental hospitals suffer too... Go on. Check it out. Join a mental health charity. See what they have to cope with... Go for it. [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] do those figures measure up to the millions throughout human history and up to this point in time who smoke Cannabis, even those on a daily basis, without problems?[/rquote] You mean the millions who had to smoke it as opposed to the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS who don't have to because they don't want to risk the mental health problems in their lives? [rquote=2608458&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight] Of course not. Not even close. Because it's simple math. Fact.[/rquote] You mean the maths that only a tiny teeny tiny small fraction of itsy bitsy people smoke it every day? Everybody else have only smoked it during a phase in their life? You do know that people stop smoking it in their early 20s. There are only a small number of people who smoke it regularly and most of those are under the pull of a drug dealer and addicted and lost in a world. Seriously dude, people commit suicide over it but because your precious friends smoke it (and they are criminals, because they're committing a crime... makes complete sense - if you commit a crime, you're a criminal) you think it's fine. ANYWAY... Study the above links... see them, study them instead of saying "oooh, people want to relax" - it's not relax, it's a sedations that affects the neurological balance inside a person... but you ignore all that. Ignore absolutely everything you read. Let it be in your hands the next person who suffers. Are you ready to accept the responsibility of people who suffer for all their life at the hands of this drug for what you say? Have you been in a mental health hospital and seen people whose lives are irreversible due to the effects this drug has had on them? Come on... 8 out of 10 patients in mental health hospitals are now due to Cannabis smoking... some of their own making too... Final point - read the links. Work it out. Understand the studies and publications. UNDERSTAND THE CHEMICALS BEHIND MARIJUANA instead of just MAKING IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am sickened that you are so gripped by your pride that you don't care for people who suffer but I've seen so many people who put their pride and ego before suffering because they have flimsy beliefs, it's nothing new to me.:laugh2::laugh2: |
I really can't continue with this.
Seriously, it's not the simple fact you don't know what you're talking about but you try and make out you do. If you had the slightest bit, the tiniest bit of consideration and compassion for people in mental health institutions and the people dying from terrorism, maybe you'd think before you posted something but this is ridiculous - I feel quite stupid having to argue something so bleeding obvious. Carry on. Maybe go to Portugal and see all the Cannabis sufferers in the rehab clinics the Government is making millions in tax from. |
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