Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653301)

I couldnt give two *****, why would I care?

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2653302)

So you don't care about your country, you just go with the flow?

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653304)

What exactly is wrong with our country? Im as welcome at the Diwali celebrations in a predominantly asian area of where I live as my local pub and I celebrate that and I have no fear of it

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2653305)

There is plenty wrong with it. Not just immigration and that. Maybe it's easier for you being a woman I don't know. Like Mela used to be really mixed, and then the Muslims took it over, never been the same since. It is a certain group of people from a certian part of a country really.

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653333)

Well I dont know what your problem is seriously, Ive always been made to feel welcome by all groups and the Mela here has a great atmosphere. I havent experienced problems with any muslims, Ive been to two muslim weddings and couldnt have been made to feel anymore welcome (and my husband). Sure I see **** on the telly about certain Islamist groups but I have no personal experience apart from one muslim girl at the hospital where I used to work who supposedly laughed about 9/11...(this was told to me by another muslim girl who thought she was well out of order by the way). I dont care who lives next door to me aslong as there decent hardworking nice people.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2653342)

For me being quite young, it's different. The older generations are all hardworking. But it seems the 3rd generation have no interest in working or doing well for themselves. They will go out looking for trouble. And yes whites do it as well but that is not who we are talking about here. Look at how so many reacted to the Bradford riots? Even their own parents turned them in.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 2653340)

People are trying to erode this country's identity, culture and values. It is extremely blinkered to deny that. Why is it our country that is expected to make the concessions all the time. When we go to a country like Afghanistan or Iraq we are expected to show respect and abide by their culture's rules - ie women would have to cover themselves. There is no respect for our culture in return.

It wouldn't even be safe for westerners to go there and walk freely. But despite the fact that there is a lot of resentment towards Muslims for 9/11 and our soldiers in this country - they are a lot safer on our streets than we would be on theirs.

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653345)

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653345)

Theres bad on both sides, thankfully a minority. Its wrong to demonize one particular group and blame them for all the countries ills

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653352)

Lol@when we go to a country like Afghanistan...I wont be going on my holidays there! How are our values and culture being eroded? What concessions are we making? How is our culture not being respected...I hear this all the time and still havent had a satisfactory answer

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 2653398)

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP? - generalisation and hyperbole.

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques? - that is because we are a Christian country and have been for many hundreds of years

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture? - i dont think any post has made a point about a persons character and 90% of the UK is white so the chances are far higher

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 2653398)

Some responses in this thread are absolutely shocking, Have we been invaded by the BNP?

There should be a limit on imigration but not because of mosques or different cultures. All this stuff about 'muslims taking over' is just racist hyperbole, if we compared the number of churches to mosques in the uk by how much would the churches outnumber the mosques?

We're not losing our culture, we're just combining it with others. All this stuff about immigrants 'biting the hand that feeds them' is regugnant because (although I don't like to generalise) most Arabic and asian people i've met are usually nothing but polite and nice, ironically in my experiences I've only ever had or seen white people bullying or intimidating others so what does that say for our brittish culture?

There's good and bad everywhere you go, you can't condemn a race for the actions of a few.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2653413)

- the thread is about the ghettos in inner city areas?

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 2653421)

Don't try and turn this into a race issue - it is not. It is a Muslim issue.

As for the mosques/churches bit - what a ridiculous point. I should damn well hope there are a lot more churches than mosques - this is Britain. How many churches do you think there are in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 2653534)

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 2653534)

This is Britain you're right, and Britain's meant to be a democracy right? We've got the freedom to follow any faith we want or to make our own life choices so why are we attacking a race because there's a few areas which are largely populated by a certain ethnicity? They are citizens too and have the rights to complain if they feel discriminated against as we do.

We can't be a democracy and not extend the same rights to all our citizens due to religion.

The thing with Afghanistan and Iraq is that religion is basically written into law there while we have a lot more freedom to choose our faiths if any. I applaud the fact that Britian's becoming more multi-cultured each day, there's a lot of things we can learn from other cultures as are things they could learn from ours.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 2653397)

Whether you would choose to go there or not - is besides the point. The point is - you couldn't - not safely.

We make consessions all the time - ie allowing them to build Mosques, teaching their religion in our schools, introducing anti-discriminatory laws - the list goes on.

A lot of Muslims are quite vocal about their disapproval of our culture and lifestyle. For instance - they make no secret of the fact they don't approve of the freedoms British women have. If they could force the issue - they would.

Muslim women refuse to remove their full burkas in places like schools and colleges - which causes issues for us - no respect for our culture and laws. But our women would be forced to cover up in their country - whether we wanted to or not - no respect for our wishes.

They always expect us to do the accomodating.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2653374)

that is not what the video is saying. You cant watch that video and think all is rosy?

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653693)

The "concessions" your talking about are all part of being a democracy and what makes me proud to be British and whether or not other countries run things that way makes no odds. A minority of muslims voice their disapproval, how does it really affect us? It doesnt really, and as for women wearing Burkhas, then whatever floats there boat. Theres been one issue I can think of where a woman wasnt allowed to teach with her Burkha on and thats fair enough in a situation like that. These issues are blown all out of proportion and dont really affect us in reality.

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2653714)

Whats your problem with the video?

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 2653721)

If we loose our identity - you can kiss goodbye to democracy. You may change your stance if you loose your liberty and all the freedoms of choice and rights of protection you are used to.