I dont care about ben anymore, hes too bitchy, all he does 24 hours a day is bitch, at least john james dosent bitch that much. :sleep:

I know, I like Ben myself, but I still try to be objective and talk about the truth in things. If we defend everything a HM does and never see or admit their bad sides then we very much take away our believability as a poster who can be trusted.

I liked Dave, but then I watched some vids and read some stuff on him and then decided I don't like the man behind his BB face.

Exactly! This is exactly what I think as well. Defending every action that your favorite HM makes is ridiculous, they're all just human after all. I like the way you think:hugesmile:

Of course Ben has his bad points I have said so before,but i will stand up and defend if I think my fave is being unfairly described of course I do everyone else does the same,They ALL bitch but ben gets called out because people think he does it more than anyone else,that's not true,sometimes people really need to LISTEN to what housemates are saying and not how often they do it,not everything is bitching,simple as.If he is describing housemates characters,how is that bitching? so I'll say it again,ben is NOT perfect,but he is no worse than the others in there

I think he bitches as much as JJ, Josie and Caoimhe (and Ife is catching up too I reckon) we all do it, I'm just saying that JJ is being vilified for it more than anyone else.

I agree with this, it's what I was saying at the start :)

Thats exactly what JJ was doing last night.

JJ bitches just like Ben