Did you know that people coming here to discuss Helen and Paul was basically the reason this forum got off the ground in the first place?

John James and Josie remind me of them. A lot of the negative things that are said about John James now were also said about Paul back then.

I agree No Need to Pick on you.
Nothing wrong with Dreams.

Princess I have never insulted you or anyone else here over what they believe.
I know you admit to being obsessed and that's fine but let's be honest here ,do you not see it as double standards?
You often accuse folks who don't believe as JJJ "haters"it's a fecking TV show with people Who for the vast majority of people have never met nor are we likely to.In fact if we were to pass them in the street in a couple of years we prob wouldn't recognise them.Yes there are those ,probably a bit immature,who say they hate JJJ and that is upsetting you,but for a lot of people there is no love or hate involved ,just some interesting people we spend our summer watching and we form our own opinions of them.

You often say you would rather believe than be cynical,you use words like negative ,cold hearted.Basically accusing those who don't believe of being all of these which is pretty annoying TBH.
You believe and good for you I won't judge you for that,how about you stop judging those who don't believe.
Personally I do not see the love or passion whit JJJ ,but I do hope they enjoy their time together

This.


I find it a bit worrying how much people try to make out that couples arent real, i always feel its someone who's alone that does.

Not always :/

But Benvolio, you're missing the point. It's BB: the majority of what happens in there is all about game playing and deceit, you know?

Usually middle aged virgins

People have some weird 'fake until proven real' mentality which can be pathetic sometimes. Sometimes it obviously is fake but other times you can never tell. Not every couple stands the test of time and for some its like a holiday romance type thing. People think that to be a genuine couple you have to be together forever but thats really unlikely for 80% of people and as soon as a likely split happens, then it was fake all along

I think some should just take it at face value, fake or real TV relationships aren't affecting anyone so just leave them to it

Nothing wrong with being a romantic, just dont get too involved with people on TV's lives because I'll let you in on a secret it's about the money and fame. Also people would do good to not think their life would end up as a happy fairytale because you're never gonna get that.

I would say that those that obsess about the relationships of those they don't even know - are the ones who are alone - those who have their own romance - don't need to focus on the relationships of others.

And we aren't talking couples per se - just so-called couples from reality shows - who have no motive whatsoever to fake a romance - don't know where any of us could have got such an idea from :rolleyes:!

Speak for yourself sunshine!:nono:

I dont see a problem with, it's better than the people who feel obliged to tirelessly analyse the tiniest action to try and prove that a romance is fake. Some people just refuse to accept that people could love each other on BB, although it seems plauisble to me. If you're in a confined space with someone for 2 months 24/7 then it's not surprsing that very close relationships develop.

Well it makes you unrealistic for a start. I mean sure, the cynics know no more than you do, but with the history of flings, or faked relationships: Ziggy/Chanelle, Jennifer/Dale, Sezer/Imogen, Sophie/Kris, Noirin/everyone - and take into the account the rather obvious one-sided nature of this one (John James doesn't appear even nearly as enthusiastic about Josie as she does about him) - you can understand their point.

And even so - what's the problem anyway? It says more about you to get defensive over two 'celebrities' you've never met, to be honest. To get that emotionally invested is worrying.

I was always taught to believe what I see with my own eyes. I will use the most recent 'relationship' as an example.

What I saw was Josie lusting after JJ, and JJ treating her more like a sister/mother figure. Whilst leading her on. Saying in the diary room time and time again that he did not fancy her. And then suddenly becoming more keen after she got the pass to the final ;)

Then they leave the house and all of a sudden its all 'I'm in love with Josie'

And people believe it?

Nah. BB housemates know that relationships sell/keep them in the house longer. Thats all. Sure there were bound to be a couple of 'real' romances with the sheer amount of people that have been thrown together over the years, but the majority is for cameras and $$$.

yes but what you see with your eyes and what someone else sees with their eyes can, alot of the time, be very different. Personally, I felt that John James is a private kind of a guy when it comes to relationships and didn't feel comfortable being romantic with people in front of cameras and knowing that his mother was watching. That's what I saw because that's how I'd be if I were in there.

:hugesmile:

Hmm..so private that its suddenly ok when he comes out of the house to let the world know about his relationship via magazines? :)

Talking about your relationship and letting someone actually watch it are different imo, especially at the very start when you're not entirely comfortable or sure yourself.

However, it is impossible to act 24/7 for 73 days or however long the series was. If there was genuine attraction...I find it very hard to believe that he could hide it for that long. He looked sickened when she even touched him :laugh:

Headlock peck and neck snuggle ftw :D

I'm not saying he was acting, I'm saying he was choosing to not do anything in front of the cameras! I just think it would be very unusual for a guy to get that attached to a girl and it was quite obvious that he adored her to me, If he didn't have feelings for her. I never saw him look sickened either!:tongue:

Different strokes for different folks then I guess.

And its actually not unusual for guys to get attached to girls they spend a lot of time with. Not all blokes think with their dangly bits :D

They don't...........................???????:joker:

Hard to believe I know :eek:

And Ben...as for your ridiculous comment about it being only people who are alone who think stuff is fake(which I missed the first time of reading this thread)...load of rubbish. If anything, the people who desperately believe any romance that is thrust down our throats are more likely to be alone I would imagine.

well, I don't think it is one or the other tbh!

Nothing wrong with being a romantic its nice while you think like that but you will soon grow out of it lifes not the fluffy little world you think it is when your young.

and no iceman im not single and alone its just fact.

There's nothing wrong with it. You're an optimist. It's nothing to be ashamed about.