Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3920322)

I didn't actually say that YOU were accusing anyone of racism - I was actually pointing out that the views expressed in the article were merely those of one so called "expert". I absolutely agree that there is a degree of scaremongering going on, but the point I was making is that by surpressing legitimate debate by pooh poohing people's concerns is counterproductive - far better to just allow people to voice their concerns and put them straight with actual facts and figures.

Even if it were the case that white Britons WILL be a minority in this country in 50 odd years, the fact is that in the article, the intervening half century of change, adaptation and assimilation that would have to take place, has largely been disregarded as if it were irrelevant.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3920265)

"daily mail "


No Dezzy
they are not that silly.

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 3920233)

Some of you have real Disney views where everyone should be welcome everywhere and everyone should get along. The reality is Britain is a white English speaking country. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here but there is definitely a line crossed when you're an ethnic minority in your own country

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3920280)

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3920280)

Makes no difference to me. At all. Who cares what color people are. The only problem I do have (and no doubt I will be flamed for being 'racist') is when people live here but refuse to speak english.

The blokes who own our corner shop, speak perfect english when you meet them outside of work, however...they tend to fritter off into another language whenever you are in the actual shop. Probably bitching about the customers...as I see no other reason for it.

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3920483)

For convenience's sake? If I moved to, say, Germany with a friend or my family - would I continually speak to them in German?

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3920488)

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3920552)

Well that's exactly my point - not many foreign-born people do speak perfect English, just as many of us don't speak another language perfectly. The difference is they NEEDED to move abroad to find work, we don't. They have enough to worry about other than judgmental English folk scolding them for not greeting every customer with an 'awright guv'nor?'

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3920572)

Yes, but the example I gave, they DO speak perfect English. We are actually quite good mates with 3 of the 4 that work there, and have been out drinking and such with them :laugh:

They just chose not to, and as I said, I can think of no reason at all to speak foreign around english customers at work...except to slag them off :S

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3920575)

Oh right. Well I guess it must just be a convenience thing...and yea probably bitching about you too :laugh2:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3920488)

I still find it ignorant tbh.

If you could speak perfect german, would you still chose to speak in english around other people who could not speak english?

Especially if you had a business which would generally require you to speak in german for the customers to understand you...

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 3920580)

Its not a conversation involving you so you shouldn't be so nosey :p

As I said a few posts back I speak OK Spanish but still speak English when over there and with another English person. Its not ignorant, its just easier

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 3920287)

Why shouldn't they? Every single person on this planet is exactly the same, regardless of personalities, skin colour etc, at the end of the day - we all share one thing in common - we're all human. So thus why does it matter if countries supposedly 'lose their identity' to foreigners outnumbering them? If they're not breaking the law what does it really matter? Surely we should all be entitled to live wherever we want on this planet? :conf:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 3920587)

OK spanish is a little different to perfect though, and surely if you had a business in spain you would make the effort to try and speak spanish to the non-english speaking folk who were spending money?

As for the first bit, yeah, far too nosey for my own good :laugh2:

Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 3920844)

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 3920844)

I'm bi-lingual and speak Spanish.. The Spanish really don't have the same concept of racism as the English do.

Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 3921017)

erm.. In Spain maybe if you're black they'll shout monkey noises at you, if your fat they'll call you fat or if you're ugly they'll call you ugly.. whereas in England fat people are allowed to be abused but black people are not.. The Spanish would probably say that is the real racism.

I remember being called Spanish bitch once at school and the teacher told them of for calling me Spanish.. it was apparently fine to call me a bitch though. I'm not even Spanish really. Weird standards the English have for racism with your anti-racism banners everywhere.:nono: yet you are allowed to call people bitches no problem.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 3921033)

Yes, what weird standards we have where it's unacceptable to shout out monkey noises at black people(!)

You cant compare calling someone fat, or saying someone is a bitch, to racially abusing somebody.

Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 3921038)

why can you not compare them?? because you say so?? MTVN:conf::conf: It you are being victimised it doesn't matter whether its because you are fat or because of your skin colour...