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I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.
However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts. It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World. |
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They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe? Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you? |
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The US administration is damned whatever they do, if they show all they are seen as glorifying in his death in turn making him a martyr. If they dont show more evidential proof then the conspiracy nuts like yourself shout about how its all government lies. No matter what proof they offer now the nuts will say its all doctored. Its a shame you only think about what they have to gain by lying, never what they have to loose. If Al Qaeda came forward with the body of Bin Laden and said he actually died 6 years ago or whatever, and proved it. It totally destroys the credibility of both this and future US governments. If it wasnt him and he comes forward, same result. You think Obama would risk his administration on that sort of call? |
I agree with the 'wait for the evidence before you start shrieking out conspiracies' lot. There isn't any proof to support the conspiracy theory outside a questionable disposal which has already been given an explanation and the blanks have just been filled in with wild conjecture and assumptions, like most conspiracies are.
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the story has completely changed yet again just now
at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided? |
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No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line. Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts. Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc. They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions. Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes. As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it? A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise. |
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To reinforce the part in bold. If they released the pictures with audio people would be able to hear call signs and nicknames used by special forces. All useful information any terrorist watching. Any pictures released will have to be heavily edited which would again bring cries of conspiracy from many people. They're damned if they do, damned if they dont. |
US government has told the world they killed Bin Laden on Sunday night.
All we have is their word for it. We have to trust them. There has been no proof provided for us. Changing the official story over and over and disposing of the body within 12 hours of the kill makes it more difficult to just take their word for it. The 2 excuses for burial at sea are Burial within 24 hours in accordance with Islamic tradition But Bin Laden is not a muslim, he is a terrorist. They are treating him as a muslim and surely this offends true muslims worldwide who hate Bin Laden and terrorists who give Islam bad name. Second reason is terrorists might set up a shrine and worship his grave. So what! Who cares if they do, he is dead. It would be no different than when terrorists loonies in our country burn poppies. I think we would survive it If terrorists turned up to his grave then this would have been a great source of intelligence for future. 10 year manhunt and they finally get him, but they get rid of the body and evidence immediately for those 2 reasons, is just stupid if it is true. |
The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.
But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers. Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial? I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence. Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists! |
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i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body |
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Under Muslim tradition they are supposed to wash/clean up the body, then bury it as soon as is practicable, which is what they did. They did video the burial but why should they show it to the world, that shows a lack of respect. It would also make targets out of those servicemen involved in the ceremony. Showing the video of a burial at sea wouldnt lessen the cries of the conspiracy nuts, the body is in a weighted canvas bag, it has words said over it, then goes sliding off a board into the sea. If they showed the ceremony then the deranged howling of the nuts would only get louder, "why didnt they show us the body?". If they showed photos of the body the cries would be "its a fake photo" or "its not him just someone made up to look like him"! He stated he was a muslim, being a terrorist doesnt change that, he and others believed he was following the tenets of his faith, or he believed that he could carry out his actions and reconcile his actions with his faith. Why they accorded him a burial in line with muslim traditions is to show the world that they dont disrespect that particualr religions beliefs, so they cant be accused of hating Muslims or not respecting Islamic tenets. The only thing they can be picked up for is the fact he was buried at sea only because they cant guarantee he lies facing Mecca, however he wouldnt be the first Muslim "warrior" to be buried at sea or to be buried not completely inline with that faiths beliefs. |
I think most will see that what the Americans have done by dumping him into the sea is nothing more than a piece of political engineering to pretend they are repectfull hoping to minimise the poltical backlash from the world of islam.
Won't work of course. The exremists might be mad but they arn't that stupid. The Americans are like glass you can see straight through them. Still they did a good job of getting rid of the bastard one way or another...... Also avoided the nightmare scenerioes that would have occured if they had taken the rat bag alive and put him on trial...... |
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Shasown, the reason they never release any real credible evidence on things like this is because they know there are people like you who will believe them without releasing any credible evidence. |
Typical of the American leaders to manage to do the right thing as to ending his life but then to make such a mess of the exercise to explain all the events with continuity as to the actual event.
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I do know they wouldnt be stupid enough to make up a story that could be easily pulled apart or disproved by a group (Al Quaeda) that would love to claim the downfall of the American Administration by discrediting them. Simply because people think about things deeper than the average conspiracy nut does and understand the bigger picture doesnt make them gullible. If the US government announced the sun rises in the east you would argue it was the south wouldnt you? |
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