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GiRTh 04-05-2011 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 4226386)
Am I the only one that doesn't give a ******? :bored:

Well, he hasnt got big t*ts so I'm not too surprised that you dont give a sh*t.

Liberty4eva 04-05-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 4226404)
I'm not naive, I know government don't always tell the truth, especially when it comes to issues about a war.

However before they said anything, it seemed like you were calling them liars.

I started openly calling them liars the moment they said they buried him at sea. When they said that I came to the opinion that it was all a farce. Since 9/11 we've spent over 3000 days trying to get this guy. And after all that time once we finally get his body we dump it into the ocean less than 2 hours after announcing we got him? It doesn't add up. It doesn't make any sense.

Liberty4eva 04-05-2011 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by letmein (Post 4225909)
Liberty, how many times are you going to make the same exact thread? Can't you keep your tin-hattery to one thread?

I'm not surprised that Brits don't believe this. They're still being indoctrinated that the moon landing was faked. Anything to bash America. Typical.

Ummm, I don't seem to remember making previous threads like this. As far as I'm aware this is the first thread I've started that deals with a conspiracy of any sort. And not that I expect someone like you to put the work into it, it would be helpful if these threads I've supposedly made could be tracked down. I think they only exist in your imagination.

Stu 04-05-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Grimnir (Post 4225940)
the us government says they debating whether to release a photo of bin laden corpse, reason against it they say is it might be inflammatory!?

cannot get much more inflammatory then actually shooting him in the head, announcing it to the world with pride and glee and continuous news coverage celebrating it

so why do they hesitate?

never mind photo, why not just release the video from navy seals so everyone can know 100% what happened and zero doubt left

if they did this even i might accept conspiracy is just that and trust them for once

People like you have already made their mind up. Videos can be faked. You are invariably going to twist things to suit your preferred view of a high fantasy world where you are one of the few, informed truthseekers.

Liberty4eva 04-05-2011 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 4226406)
Common sense would dictate that one would wait until enough information was available to make a balanced decision before jumping to any conclusion.
To declare its bullshine WHO IS WITH ME! would just make somebody look stupid time will tell.
Only fools rush in.

It seems there are a lot of people here who rush into believing the government story as though it was gospel. I think they're fools also.

Niamh. 04-05-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 4226407)
Well, he hasnt got big t*ts so I'm not too surprised that you dont give a sh*t.

:laugh2:

joeysteele 04-05-2011 09:35 AM

I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.

However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts.

It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World.

Liberty4eva 04-05-2011 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4226468)
I think he is dead obviously, I can now understand why they disposed of him at sea,so as not to have his burial place a shrine for his followers and some great focal point for the great Martyr.
However the way all this happened seems to have a different twist to the story every time they say something new.So it's understandable people have doubts.

It does have discrepancies in the continuity of the story of the events and so I too have some doubt as to the way it all took place, I remain just glad this really awful person has finally gone from the World.

Why do we even have to give some Middle Eastern country his body? Why not take it to the States? You people who believe what the government is telling you are not asking yourselves these types of questions.

Shasown 04-05-2011 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 4226478)
Why do we even have to give some Middle Eastern country his body? Why not take it to the States? You people who believe what the government is telling you are not asking yourselves these types of questions.

Why take it to the States? To parade it round in some media circus, yeah that would go down well both in the West and the Muslim world.

They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe?

Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you?

Liberty4eva 04-05-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4226481)
Why take it to the States? To parade it round in some media circus, yeah that would go down well both in the West and the Muslim world.

They offered his body back to the country of his birth, he was after all a Saudi citizen. They probably didnt fancy the hassle of burying it and dealing with any potential aftermath so refused, whats so hard to believe?

Doesnt matter what sort of proof they offer, you just wont believe them will you?

They don't seem that interested in proving they killed Osama bin Laden. If they were interested they would have kept the body and let people examine it. Having the body is the ultimate proof that they killed him and so why be so eager to ditch it into the ocean?

Shasown 04-05-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 4226484)
They don't seem that interested in proving they killed Osama bin Laden. If they were interested they would have kept the body and let people examine it. Having the body is the ultimate proof that they killed him and so why be so eager to ditch it into the ocean?

So as not to be seen to glorify in his death, which in turn would probably have upset a lot of Muslims and swelled recruits to Al Qaeda cause.

The US administration is damned whatever they do, if they show all they are seen as glorifying in his death in turn making him a martyr. If they dont show more evidential proof then the conspiracy nuts like yourself shout about how its all government lies.

No matter what proof they offer now the nuts will say its all doctored. Its a shame you only think about what they have to gain by lying, never what they have to loose.

If Al Qaeda came forward with the body of Bin Laden and said he actually died 6 years ago or whatever, and proved it. It totally destroys the credibility of both this and future US governments. If it wasnt him and he comes forward, same result. You think Obama would risk his administration on that sort of call?

Tom4784 04-05-2011 10:46 AM

I agree with the 'wait for the evidence before you start shrieking out conspiracies' lot. There isn't any proof to support the conspiracy theory outside a questionable disposal which has already been given an explanation and the blanks have just been filled in with wild conjecture and assumptions, like most conspiracies are.

Grimnir 04-05-2011 11:57 AM

the story has completely changed yet again just now

at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference

now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside

why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided?

CharlieO 04-05-2011 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimnir (Post 4226518)
the story has completely changed yet again just now

at first they said obama and his team were watching the seal operation in real time, i heard and saw brennan say this in live press conference

now they have said they only saw the approach to the compound and nothing inside

why is it a conspiracy to not believe a story that is constantly changing and their is no proof provided?

This.

Shasown 04-05-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne (Post 4226564)
This.

Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

GiRTh 04-05-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4226586)
Yes I know absolute shocking use of the English Language.

No one is saying it is a conspiracy to not believe the official line.

Its people saying that it is a conspiracy by the US administration simply because they arent aware of all the facts.

Thats why they are called conspiracy nuts because every official announcement is greeted by calls of "hidden conspiracies/agendas" etc.

They cant grasp the fact that the people that have been elected to make decisions in their name have done just that and made decisions.

Or they cant grasp the reality that sometimes decisions are made to keep certain information out of the public domain for a variety of security reasons. If for example they did air the whole of the SEAL raid on the compound any person viewing it would be able to determine current COIN tactical practices and develop counter tactics which would undermine future operational successes.

As for the release of the photos of the Dead Bin Liner, there is also the possibility that he wasn't killed in a firefight but captured alive then made to kneel and received a nine millimetre to the base of the skull, In some people`s eyes it is no more than he deserved, however that information wouldnt go down too well in certain quarters would it?

A photograph of his corpse may in fact show that the above scenario was the probable cause of his demise.

This.

To reinforce the part in bold. If they released the pictures with audio people would be able to hear call signs and nicknames used by special forces. All useful information any terrorist watching.

Any pictures released will have to be heavily edited which would again bring cries of conspiracy from many people. They're damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Grimnir 04-05-2011 02:28 PM

US government has told the world they killed Bin Laden on Sunday night.
All we have is their word for it. We have to trust them. There has been no proof provided for us.
Changing the official story over and over and disposing of the body within 12 hours of the kill makes it more difficult to just take their word for it.

The 2 excuses for burial at sea are
Burial within 24 hours in accordance with Islamic tradition
But Bin Laden is not a muslim, he is a terrorist. They are treating him as a muslim and surely this offends true muslims worldwide who hate Bin Laden and terrorists who give Islam bad name.
Second reason is terrorists might set up a shrine and worship his grave. So what! Who cares if they do, he is dead. It would be no different than when terrorists loonies in our country burn poppies. I think we would survive it
If terrorists turned up to his grave then this would have been a great source of intelligence for future.

10 year manhunt and they finally get him, but they get rid of the body and evidence immediately for those 2 reasons, is just stupid if it is true.

Grimnir 04-05-2011 02:50 PM

The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.

But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers.

Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial?

I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence.
Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me

They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists!

Scarlett. 04-05-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimnir (Post 4226690)
The Seals went in and when found him they killed him, he was unarmed. Fine, No problem with that really, anyone would do the same probably.

But what i don't understand is a few hours later on some random aircraft carrier, the armed forces give him a respectful Islamic burial at sea. They also happened to have a muslim seaman on board who said a few prayers.

Why they do this? He was terrorist who had killed thousands of americans and also he was not a muslim. Why the respect and why the Islamic burial?

I think Bin Laden died years ago and the raid is fiction. If they say oh we buried him at sea then nobody can say let us see the body and see the evidence.
Although people say conspiracy, this actually makes more sense to me

They also say the reason for not showing photo of dead corpse of Bin Laden is because it might be inflammatory. Well I don't think the terrorists can get any more angry than being told he was killed by US Navy Seals, inside Pakistan without Pakistan knowing, it was in front of his wife and daughter, he was unarmed, they dumped him at sea and america celebrated ever since. A Photo is gonna make them go over the edge is it? Who cares if they get upset and offended, they are terrorists!

They did it to show respect to another human being, do you think taking him back to America and poking his body would have made the Middle East happy? They did it to show the Middle East that they can show respect to even their greatest enemy, and to show, they're better than them.

Grimnir 04-05-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 4226728)
They did it to show respect to another human being, do you think taking him back to America and poking his body would have made the Middle East happy? They did it to show the Middle East that they can show respect to even their greatest enemy, and to show, they're better than them.

but they did not show it did they, maybe they should have video the burial and show that to the world, then what you say might be believable

i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body

Shasown 04-05-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Grimnir (Post 4226748)
but they did not show it did they, maybe they should have video the burial and show that to the world, then what you say might be believable

i never suggested poking his body or anything like that, i just want to know why they gave a terrorist a muslim burial and why they buried him at sea within 12 hours before anyone seen the body

Its called being diplomatic and tactful. They buried him after offering his body back to his native country, they may have offered it to other countries they could trust, their decision.

Under Muslim tradition they are supposed to wash/clean up the body, then bury it as soon as is practicable, which is what they did. They did video the burial but why should they show it to the world, that shows a lack of respect. It would also make targets out of those servicemen involved in the ceremony.

Showing the video of a burial at sea wouldnt lessen the cries of the conspiracy nuts, the body is in a weighted canvas bag, it has words said over it, then goes sliding off a board into the sea.

If they showed the ceremony then the deranged howling of the nuts would only get louder, "why didnt they show us the body?". If they showed photos of the body the cries would be "its a fake photo" or "its not him just someone made up to look like him"!

He stated he was a muslim, being a terrorist doesnt change that, he and others believed he was following the tenets of his faith, or he believed that he could carry out his actions and reconcile his actions with his faith.

Why they accorded him a burial in line with muslim traditions is to show the world that they dont disrespect that particualr religions beliefs, so they cant be accused of hating Muslims or not respecting Islamic tenets.

The only thing they can be picked up for is the fact he was buried at sea only because they cant guarantee he lies facing Mecca, however he wouldnt be the first Muslim "warrior" to be buried at sea or to be buried not completely inline with that faiths beliefs.

bananarama 04-05-2011 08:14 PM

I think most will see that what the Americans have done by dumping him into the sea is nothing more than a piece of political engineering to pretend they are repectfull hoping to minimise the poltical backlash from the world of islam.


Won't work of course. The exremists might be mad but they arn't that stupid. The Americans are like glass you can see straight through them. Still they did a good job of getting rid of the bastard one way or another......

Also avoided the nightmare scenerioes that would have occured if they had taken the rat bag alive and put him on trial......

Liberty4eva 04-05-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4226900)
Its called being diplomatic and tactful. They buried him after offering his body back to his native country, they may have offered it to other countries they could trust, their decision.

Under Muslim tradition they are supposed to wash/clean up the body, then bury it as soon as is practicable, which is what they did. They did video the burial but why should they show it to the world, that shows a lack of respect. It would also make targets out of those servicemen involved in the ceremony.

Showing the video of a burial at sea wouldnt lessen the cries of the conspiracy nuts, the body is in a weighted canvas bag, it has words said over it, then goes sliding off a board into the sea.

If they showed the ceremony then the deranged howling of the nuts would only get louder, "why didnt they show us the body?". If they showed photos of the body the cries would be "its a fake photo" or "its not him just someone made up to look like him"!

He stated he was a muslim, being a terrorist doesnt change that, he and others believed he was following the tenets of his faith, or he believed that he could carry out his actions and reconcile his actions with his faith.

Why they accorded him a burial in line with muslim traditions is to show the world that they dont disrespect that particualr religions beliefs, so they cant be accused of hating Muslims or not respecting Islamic tenets.

The only thing they can be picked up for is the fact he was buried at sea only because they cant guarantee he lies facing Mecca, however he wouldnt be the first Muslim "warrior" to be buried at sea or to be buried not completely inline with that faiths beliefs.

We have seen no evidence of anything. All we have is this reactionary photo of Obama and his people supposedly looking at a live feed of the operation. The photo is laughable and pathetic, especially Hillary's look of shock.

Shasown, the reason they never release any real credible evidence on things like this is because they know there are people like you who will believe them without releasing any credible evidence.

joeysteele 04-05-2011 11:28 PM

Typical of the American leaders to manage to do the right thing as to ending his life but then to make such a mess of the exercise to explain all the events with continuity as to the actual event.

Shasown 05-05-2011 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 4227382)
We have seen no evidence of anything. All we have is this reactionary photo of Obama and his people supposedly looking at a live feed of the operation. The photo is laughable and pathetic, especially Hillary's look of shock.

Shasown, the reason they never release any real credible evidence on things like this is because they know there are people like you who will believe them without releasing any credible evidence.

LOL. You dont know me very well then do you?

I do know they wouldnt be stupid enough to make up a story that could be easily pulled apart or disproved by a group (Al Quaeda) that would love to claim the downfall of the American Administration by discrediting them.

Simply because people think about things deeper than the average conspiracy nut does and understand the bigger picture doesnt make them gullible. If the US government announced the sun rises in the east you would argue it was the south wouldnt you?


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