Originally Posted by Josy (Post 4906040)

A half hearted "sorry" then pretending to do it again is not an apology imo, and we saw the twins say at the end of the highlights that she hadnt yet apologised.

Originally Posted by Mac1978 (Post 4906013)

This series has re-engaged me. It's years since I posted on a BB site.

I reckon a clear and even grovelling apology is due here. I've nothing against Denise, but as a revovering alcoholic (of 7 years sobriety) I know a little something about drink related incidents. To adjust the clothing of another person without their permission, is not acceptable behaviour. There was a time that it wasn't acceptable in Britain and Ireland (I'm Irish), and it is certainly still unacceptable in middle America. It has nothing to do with exposing flesh - it has to do with invasion of personal privacy. Denise's behaviour was absolutely wrong.

When you do something silly (and I've done things ten times worse than this) due to booze, people will let you know that your behaviour is unacceptable. Often entire bars full of people will let you know. They're not ganging up on you, they're just letting you know that, not one, but all of them find your behaviour unacceptable. There comes a time when you must man up and realise that it's you, not the rest of the world, that is the problem.

A clear apology acknowledging the wrong-doing will be enough to restore most relationships - but not all. Some people won't forgive. That's their right, and also their problem. But it its your duty to be absolutely unequivical in acknowledging the problems that YOU (and not the people taht reacted to you) caused.

I'm not suggesting that Denise has, or hasn't a problem with booze. I certainly don't know enough about her mindset to call her an alcoholic. But I am saying that SHE (not anybody else) caused this whole row, by her excessive consumption of alcohol. As she started it - she should try to finish it. That'll require a sober and clear apology acknowledging that she, and not the rest of the world, was out of line. If she's already done that (I didn't see the show tonight), then she can't do anymore.

Originally Posted by cell (Post 4906044)

The purpose of an apology is to acknowledge yourself in the wrong and learning from your behaviour. An apology can seem insincere but be true, or can seem sincere and be a lie. The point is to learn from your actions and admit you were wrong, the amount of dramatics and grovelling you put into it won't change if you truly mean what your saying or not. I know I am not a mind reader so whether Denise meant her apologies or not rests with her, not in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 4906049)

They were right on Bit On The Side last night, the idiot twin saw an opportunity of business and thought,"I'm gonna try and get something out if this", hence the threats of suing.

I don't care what anyone says, she was worried that she wasn't going to get paid for her arse being shown. Has no one seen the pictures of the pair of them online?

Reserved my arse. If she was that reserved she wouldn't take her clothes off for money, or be a playmate for the dirtiest old man on the planet.

Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 4906059)

But its a true justification.

They are only in the house for that reason and for no other reason apart from that.

Originally Posted by Mac1978 (Post 4906013)

This series has re-engaged me. It's years since I posted on a BB site.

I reckon a clear and even grovelling apology is due here. I've nothing against Denise, but as a revovering alcoholic (of 7 years sobriety) I know a little something about drink related incidents. To adjust the clothing of another person without their permission, is not acceptable behaviour. There was a time that it wasn't acceptable in Britain and Ireland (I'm Irish), and it is certainly still unacceptable in middle America. It has nothing to do with exposing flesh - it has to do with invasion of personal privacy. Denise's behaviour was absolutely wrong.

When you do something silly (and I've done things ten times worse than this) due to booze, people will let you know that your behaviour is unacceptable. Often entire bars full of people will let you know. They're not ganging up on you, they're just letting you know that, not one, but all of them find your behaviour unacceptable. There comes a time when you must man up and realise that it's you, not the rest of the world, that is the problem.

A clear apology acknowledging the wrong-doing will be enough to restore most relationships - but not all. Some people won't forgive. That's their right, and also their problem. But it its your duty to be absolutely unequivical in acknowledging the problems that YOU (and not the people taht reacted to you) caused.

I'm not suggesting that Denise has, or hasn't a problem with booze. I certainly don't know enough about her mindset to call her an alcoholic. But I am saying that SHE (not anybody else) caused this whole row, by her excessive consumption of alcohol. As she started it - she should try to finish it. That'll require a sober and clear apology acknowledging that she, and not the rest of the world, was out of line. If she's already done that (I didn't see the show tonight), then she can't do anymore.

Originally Posted by 08marsh (Post 4906077)

Using "alcoholic" as an insult is pathetic.

Originally Posted by JH95 (Post 4906073)

If the twins had not have 100% blown it out of proportion and made her feel weak and reduce her to tears (along with Nicola), I could understand her apologising once more. But now? No.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4906067)

Your logic is odd :conf:

So Denise has a right or more right to do it because of what they do for a living?

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4906083)

Frankie blew it out of proportion, actually...

Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 4906008)

I saw Denise apologise twice,on the sofa and again in the kitchen.

Originally Posted by Glenn (Post 4906092)

I'm not saying that. Denise apologized after she did it which should of been ok for Karissa but she saw an opportunity to blow it way out of proportion. It was uncalled for.

Like I said, she saw an opportunity to try and make something for herself.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4906099)

As I've said before, her saying sorry then just looked like she was covering her back.

Originally Posted by JH95 (Post 4906096)

No, Frankie was calmly trying to get his point across. But with one of the twins (can't remember which) in the room undermiming him, ge couldn't whisper, let alone shout. One of the twins told Frankie it was none of his business, yet didn't complain when nosey Nicola jumped to their defences.

Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 4906098)

WRONG.

On the sofa, Karissa said "APOLOGIZE!" and Denise THEN said "sorry"

In the kitchen, Denise didn't apologize, she just said "you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Next. :xyxwave:

Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 4906098)

WRONG.

On the sofa, Karissa said "APOLOGIZE!" and Denise THEN said "sorry"

In the kitchen, Denise didn't apologize, she just said "you'll forgive me tomorrow"

Next. :xyxwave:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4906106)

Calmly stirring the pot you mean. Nicola was just telling him it was none of his business and by that time her and Denise had kicked off anyway.