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Step away from your computers and you idealistic ideas and opinions on people which are always not true.

Arron and conor are just messing around, and you people look far to deep into situations. Seriously Get a ****ing life.

whilst I agree with the rest of your post, why is this a big deal, should the girls automatically get to sit in the chair because they're girls and the boys have to sit on the floor because they're boys? it's like women who expect you to give up your seat on the bus for them because you're a man, doesn't sound like equality to me

lol

Domestic violence isnt only physical, don't miss the main point. Emotional and mental abuse can be worst than a punch in the face.

their families must be so proud lol. everybody wants bullies as sons. must be very uncomfortable viewing for them sometimes. or i hope it is or they are tossers too.

if you dont like a woman there's no need to ridicule belittle bully them and treat them like scum just to make youself seem big which is what arron and connor do regualy. they arn't men they are low lifes who need to try it on a guy and see what happens. but they wont as bullies are cowards and men fight back.
embrassment to everybody they are. even the fans they had. especially arron

Well said!

I agree, it seems it is only wrong and something to get at if men don't give up ther seats,

I am all for equality but mutual respect needs to be there too, these people the 2 guys and the 2 gilrs detest each other.
I pointed out somewhere on here, that I offered my seat to a woman standing on a bus I was on and got,''I am capable of standing''. really polite that was I am sure.

I have seen people get on the bus who are really elderly and women still sitting never moving from the seat to offer it up.

The odd things is also, no one critices the maltesers advert where 2 guys are sleeping on the sofa and the 2 women are sitting on the floor,
that advert is not a world away from preference really, a lot of my female friends rarely sit on the chairs or settee,they prefer to be on the floor.
I generally sprawl out on the floor to watch TV too.It's not that bad a place to be.

My own Mum for instance,loves sitting on the floor, with the dog beside her,it has never been thought or even considered that Becky and Deana likely maybe didn't want to sit close to Arron and Conor and chose to sit there anyway.

As a parent I would find their behaviour very embarassing, uncouth, foul mouthed and badly behaved in general. Also very immature for their age.

On the same noie I would feel the same way about a couple of the girls in there as well.

Detest each other...why's that then?
As deana said she has never had a convo with conor, so why has he built up this massive dislike for her from?
Arron does change and is polite and chatty to both women when conor isn't around.
He is the instigator of most of the aggression and animosity in the house imo.

As Deana said that you point out rightly, she has never had a conversation with Conor, yet when asked by the public who she would evict on friday she answered Conor,???

So she is making her judgements of Conor on what she has seen him do and heard rather than learned for herself, just the same as he has done as to her too, hence the reason they likely detest each other.

Of course she would say conor, if I were a HM and someone suggested they would punch me and shove a brush up my lady garden I would probably want them out too....

People on here claim she doesn't know that he said that though.
Anyway, I was totally surprised she didn't say Arron and I actually applaud her for that.

She nominated Arron.

i would not let the to wemen sit on the floor i would let them sit on the chair and i sit on the floor

You understand the concept of this being a BB forum, right?

I agree OP, and all I keep hearing about off people is that if this is the new generation of men then im worried about the future, sadly not all of us are like that but it's just vocal twats like Conor that gives young guys a bad name.

i would not act like them the are really bad i would let the ladies go though first then let them sit down on the chair then i would of sit down

Forget the sitting on the floor bit. It was the imbecilic behaviour of the two little boys that will mean one of them (pity it isn't both) will get the bullet tonight, me hopes.

I've got to be honest but only if I liked the person would I give up a seat for them.:joker:

But I wouldn't make a womans life a living hell, or anyones for that matter.

I wouldn't expect any man to give up their seat for me (although the offer would be nice) so I don't think that is a problem and IMO its pretty sexist for people to say that guys should give up their seat for a woman (we are equals after all) - they are all able bodied and young so as far as I am concerned it would be first come first served on the chair - it would be different if someone was injured / heavily pregnant etc etc but not in these circumstances

AFTER he said she was fake. I would say him too if he'd behaved to me the way he has with her, he's been constantly on her case yet he's never actually had a proper conversation with her.

Completely agree, it was despicable!

I don't think they should have to give up automatically their seat because they are men, it's not like Deana and Becky are old and decrepit or anything.

I know it's next to impossible for someone who has had no real dealings with this type of situation in their lives to understand where we are coming from on this topic, so I don't want to be at odds with anyone on the issue, it's good that it can be discussed and awareness raised.

I appreciate that much as Novo disagrees with me on this and thinks I am taking it too seriously (which I again don't want to criticise because I don't expect him to know how much the whole thing has affected my life, tbf) he did come into this thread and listened, which surprised me, and acknowledged that he didn't understand so fair play there.

In response to you Angus, I identify completely with what you say above, and your description of how it is to live with DV. Domestic Violence is to some extent a misnomer (misleadingly named) as it covers everything from verbal abuse, confidence destroying, mind games, and more.

I went through the entire range, stage by stage, from my early to my late twenties, and really feel I lost a huge part of my life (maybe why I still act like I'm in that age range sometimes, rather than 40 something, cough, ahem :laugh:)

Started out with the little criticisms and put downs. When we went round to his parents house he used to sit in the armchair and I had to sit on the floor, which is a big part of why the BB Footage triggered my reactions last night.

Moved on to isolating me slowly from my friends, and even trying to undermine my relationship with my family, they want you completely dependent on them and so you won't challenge what is happening. Very often alcoholism is a huge factor, was in my case, he had to drink all the time, and I lived on my nerves never knowing when he was going to flip.

5 years down the line and here are some examples of things he did.

Would make breakfast and I'd sit at the table, he would then throw mine on the floor, or put salt all over it to make it uneatable, and sit there eating his, smiling.

Once I came in from having spent an hour with a friend chatting over a coffee to find he had rigged up a noose in the living room and said he was going to kill himself because I made his life such a misery, and I would have to live with that.

Towards the end, before I found the strength to leave, he started to bring a knife to bed and would say, that's for if you get on my nerves.

When I was pregnant with my son Josh (I was now 27 years old) he smashed a glass and went for my face, fortunately I put my hands up in reflex, and he was drunk so missed but still cut my hand very badly, I had to have plastic surgery on my left hand, my third finger is scarred, I had to have skin grafted from the inside of my palm to cover the gash.

Those are a few of the lovely things he did, and as he said, it was all my fault for making his life hell, I pushed him to it :bored:

I've been open about the fact I have suffered DV on the forum, but never given any detailed descriptions, so it's a bit draining to do so here. I just want to try and put across how horrific it is, and it does in fact start with the type of behaviour currently happening in the house.

To reiterate, for the people who think Arron and Conor are just acting up, well yes they may well be. I am not and never was implying that they are, or are likely to become abusers, just that what is going on reminds me strongly of things and is uncomfortable to watch.

I do think their behaviour is abhorrent and they are not very nice people, but that is just my opinion and others feel differently, I accept that. It's very telling though, that the vast majority of people are indeed disgusted by said actions.

I'll leave it there.

That must have been horrible *Kate*.

I have got to say why would he enter a relationship with you if he just wanted to abuse you though? although I don't think I can ever understand the logic of psychopaths but there you go.