unions were introduced to protect workers but protectionism also has its downsides as Ive outlined. It also ensures the labour party rarely if ever keeps these unions honest enough.

as for the manual workers, some do get offered rewards and commissions and over time work. Also the chances of promotion was be tight, but if you keep adding to your cv, adding both experience and skills then you can always seek work elsewhere at a later stage. there are many courses being run all the time , whether it be forlift work, coach/minibus work and the courses do pay towards the training costs, in some cases they pay towards the whole costs. saldy councils have created so many unncessary rules that in fact contravene the law in some cases, that councils themselves hinder opportunities and decimate the local economies.

It makes you wonder about our so called "special relationship" with the US. It appears the Yanks would only come into the war if we paid them vast amount of money,Gold etc give them many of our foreign Military bases to use ad infiniteum and give them commercial control of large areas of the Middle East for oil prospecting after the war was over.

So basically we paying "protection money" to the School Bully to help us fight our battles. any romantic notions about the Americans wanting to come in and fight the Nazi's were just that....romantic notions. They basically made a financial killing out of the second World War and it set them up as a country and allowed them to become a superpower in a generation.

Special relationship pughhh....they couldn't give a xxxx about Britain never have and never will.

The relationship is only special inasmuch as they say "bend over" and we say "how far".....!!!!

Hire your best friend to take on a 3 year project for you, and see if they do it free of charge.

Over 50 Million mostly innocent people died during the second World War...to call it a "3 year Project" is a little disrespectful...!!!!

I was just pointing out that nobody does anything for free. The spoils of war always go to the victors, that's how England was able to amass great wealth and power over our history.

There is nothing disrespectful either. This isn't a WWII thread, after all.It's a thread about the debt - so take your faux outrage somewhere else.

we are encouraged to get into debt by the goverment,
its called the rat race,debt is only number's.

Youre preaching here about paying back debts? yet in another thread you say $10.4 trillion debt is irrelevant? totally hypocrisy. Also your frivolous manner is again disrespectful here.

The americans did not like the english or their monarchy especialy,theyd have brutal battles with them for years and lets face it the english overlords during the early years of empire, were amongst the cruellest people to ever walk the earth. the americans didnt want to know about interventionism until pearl harbour. the relationship is based purely on the self and shared interests of the 2 nations. were just as hypocritical as them about this.

pearl harbour changed the world more than any other incident in the last century. why? because it smashed the american sense of idealism. they entered the real world so to speak and have intervened in over 60 nations since, usually at the point of a gun or a bomb. at the time we criticized them for not intervening, now theyre criticized for intervening too much in too many places.

as for the declaration of indepence , it was copied in many ways on the declaration of arbroath, written mainly by scottish and welsh exiles , freeing the americans from the tyranny of the english crown.

the true power of the empire never came from this ruthless idiot monarchs. it came from the ship builders, the law makers and the industry workers. the irish and scots were mostly the expert ship builders, the welsh and the northern pits provided the coal, the cannnonballs came from merthyr and treorchy, whilst the real key to it all was in fact the copper bottomed ships. this made our ships unsinkable. why? because the welsh created pure copper 4000 years ago at the great orme in north wales. swansea alone provied 66% of the worlds copper at one time. it is this genius which labelled the welsh as mercurial, mythical , magical back in the day and laid the grounds to worship the mythical dragon as their national emblem

I agree nobody does anything for nothing but for the US to continue to preach about their "special relationship" with the UK and how they fought together side by side in WWII is a tad hypocritical bearing in mind Britain had to almost bankrupt itself in order for the US to get involved.

Good Post, some interesting information thanks for your input....

Nope - I'm not preaching about paying back debts. I'm saying no one does anything for free. I'm pretty sure that in this thread, I've said the debt is irrelevant, not another one. Although, it's an opinion I hold, so even if I had written it in another thread it still doesn't further your misguided premise.

I'm not being frivolous. What should I do? put a crying smilie :bawling: when WWII is mentioned? **** off, it's faux outrage, and irrelevant to the points being made.

I'll happily pay homage to the drafted troops, taken away from their families to go and fight in that war. Of course I would. But I'm not commenting in that thread, so I'm sorry, but I won't start singing Vera Lynn songs on demand. My Grandpa fought in that war, and luckily he came back otherwise I wouldn't be here typing this now, so **** off.

"Special relationship" is a term deemed mutually beneficial both countries, as we both use it when it suits.

No one who knows my postings on here, would say I was in anyway pro-America. The opposite is true, but you're looking to find a monster under your bed, when really it's just a creaking floor board.

any administrators on here to tell this blasphemous hater about verbally abusing fellow posters? No? I dont think so. you have totally exposed yourself for the 1000th and last time as far as Im concerned. in the vast history of human life, of all the war mongers, despots, war mongers and dictators from the butchers of rome, to the sickophant hitler and stalin, the one man in history you decide to hate and deride is jesus? Thats sums up your total moral bankruptcy. we shall never speak again.

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

You don't find many people who love Hitler and get their knickers in a twist at the drop of a hat.

I could trial it out for you if you'd like? I could easily adopt a hitler profile picture, sig and name change. In fact, any one reading this will be my witness. If the truth wants me to change my name to Hitler, I will trial it till the new year.

Is this abuser Jesus H Christ still verbally abusing posters here? swearing directly at people is now acceptable on here? why havent the moderators removed him and his sick abuse?