Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6616544)

Eh? I know no new parents who leave their kids indoors alone (with doors unlocked too) so they can go out eating and drinking with friends quite a distance away?

I understand the views of those who think the parents are innocent of anything dodgy. But to deny they were neglectful at all that night..well, I have never heard that one before.

Originally Posted by Jesus. (Post 6616577)

Chuff - we've danced this dance before and neither of us have got anywhere with the other one. The approach you admitted to taking in the previous thread was nothing short of mind-blowingly inappropriate (that's me trying my best to be really polite). I looked through those links about cadaver and all that stuff you provided, but 30 seconds on google reveals it was nowhere near as cast iron as you and a bunch of others have convinced yourselves it is/was.

I also find your continued arrogance on this subject revealing. You have too much invested in this case to let it go. If no further evidence is brought up from now until the time you leave this earth, you'll still be convinced. If there is evidence brought up that proves them guilty of anything other than being irresponsible, then I'd accept it. I'm not part of any internet groups that try and push a certain agenda. There is a stark difference in the way both of us view/approach this case.

I think, and this is a compliment here, most people are so kind, and geared towards the protection of children, that even just leaving them alone as the McCanns' and friends did that night, seems so negligent to most of us, that people can't accept that's where their involvement ends.

I have no idea whether I'm right or wrong, I just know that I don't know. And if I don't know, then you can't know either.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 6616596)

YOu of all people have the cheek to call ME arrogant ? that takes the biscuit, but I see with your very limited knowledge of this case, you have fallen for the "children left alone"lie, the children were NEVER left alone until that final night, but by then Maddie was already dead, that night was done to give them alibis,and so if McCann admitted neglect, they could then claim abduction ,without that they could not ,education is a wonderful thing ,try it

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616594)

Sample size of one is no sample. Kids all around the world are left like that millions of times a day and nothing happens.

This case had a criminal who was willing to steal a child as the main ingredient. That is the issue here, not that they were unsupervised as millions are.

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616594)

Sample size of one is no sample. Kids all around the world are left like that millions of times a day and nothing happens.

This case had a criminal who was willing to steal a child as the main ingredient. That is the issue here, not that they were unsupervised as millions are.

Originally Posted by Jezzy (Post 6616597)

In the Shannon Matthews case, the dogs alerted to there having been a corpse. Obviously it wasn't Shannon's, yet there had been deaths there. The Ocean Club categorically stated that there had been NO deaths in that apartment prior to Madeleine's case.

Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 6616598)

Where did they hide the body?

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616594)

Sample size of one is no sample. Kids all around the world are left like that millions of times a day and nothing happens.

This case had a criminal who was willing to steal a child as the main ingredient. That is the issue here, not that they were unsupervised as millions are.

Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 6616602)

No there hadn't been deaths in the Matthews case.. There was second hand furniture in the house which had previously been in a house where somebody had died.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 6616599)

2 and 3 year olds should not be left alone in a house (or apartment) at night while parents go out for dinner and drinks, i would have thought that atleast was indisputable. Whether or not other people do it is irrelevant, they shouldn't, it's irresponsible and neglectful

Originally Posted by Jezzy (Post 6616603)

In Gerry's sports bag, in the wardrobe.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 6616596)

YOu of all people have the cheek to call ME arrogant ? that takes the biscuit, but I see with your very limited knowledge of this case, you have fallen for the "children left alone"lie, the children were NEVER left alone until that final night, but by then Maddie was already dead, that night was done to give them alibis,and so if McCann admitted neglect, they could then claim abduction ,without that they could not ,education is a wonderful thing ,try it

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616611)

The distance and situation led them to judge it safe and had there not been a psychopathic paedophile or some such crazy there it would have been fine - for all we know the child could have been taken in the following days at the beach or in a shop - I very much doubt that it was the situation that chanced the action, rather it was a premeditated act.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 6616605)

Totally disagree, and the fact that many other parents are negligent too doesnt take away from the parents bearing at the very least some responsibility for this, whatever happened that night.

Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 6616614)

Oh right.. How long for? When did they move it? Where did they move it to??

Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 6616614)

Oh right.. How long for? When did they move it? Where did they move it to??

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616618)

negligent in your eyes. have you brought up children yet?

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616618)

negligent in your eyes. have you brought up children yet?

Originally Posted by Jezzy (Post 6616626)

I have. I would never have dreamt of leaving them alone.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 6616621)

Maybe in the fridge that he dumped ,yet it wasn't his fridge to dump,Oh blimey I don't know Lee,but so many things don't add up,did you know about the fridge?

Originally Posted by Catweazel (Post 6616629)

What do you mean by leave them alone?

Would you go to the end of your garden on a summer night if they were asleep?

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 6616596)

YOu of all people have the cheek to call ME arrogant ? that takes the biscuit, but I see with your very limited knowledge of this case, you have fallen for the "children left alone"lie, the children were NEVER left alone until that final night, but by then Maddie was already dead, that night was done to give them alibis,and so if McCann admitted neglect, they could then claim abduction ,without that they could not ,education is a wonderful thing ,try it