Jim haters constantly drag his past up because that's all they can find on him apart from the boring old fart tag, which incidentally, like \jimmy Carr, he makes a living out of it.

It's a pretty horrible past to have.

Being at the top of the tree for many decades, not years, takes a bit of doing. Most of the people you champion have wet ink on their first pay check still.

It is his past though. So far in the house have we seen him do anything unwarranted and nasty? Personally I don't think so but I've not been able to keep up with all of the shows so I don't really know.

I get the whole idea of judging someone solely on their time in the house but certainly there's a point where there's too much to overlook. My thing with Jim is that as far as I'm concerned, his whole life and celebrity-dom is super sketchy and shady that he shouldn't have even been cast in the first place. This especially rings true when you factor in that he was initially supposed to be on CBB11 and would have to interact with Brian Dowling again.

I don't disagree with that view at all and I completely respect anyone who feels that Jim's past is too extreme to let go for the sake of an entertainment program. I certainly wouldn't want anyone who has been the victim of domestic violence to be upset with my casual support for Jim as a housemate.

As you are a stanch supporter of Jim, did you post this to make him look better Kaz? I don't understand you at all, this proves what a w**ker he is.

Oh FFS, can't you see the difference in someone giving someone a one - off slap and the deeper problem of domestic violence which affects innocent young children and deep emotional connections between married couples. Jesus......

No need to get all bent out of shape jet.
I can't support him due to his past, but others are more forgiving he may have changed he may not who knows?
His new squeeze is 24! thats a bit young for a 60yr old...:/

..just putting the wife beating aside..(which I know is the topic..)..Jim is nothing that I personally admire in a person...and I think that what is annoying is that he's generalised as someone who was typical of his era which he is not at all...he was always a marmite person..yeah, I get that some people like/liked his humour and comedy style but equally a lot of people didn't and I personally never did...and that's fine because we don't all find the same things and comedians etc funny but the thing of 'of his time' type thing is just not so, anymore than you could say someone like Frankie Boyle for instance, represents today's humour...it's just his style of humour and some people like it and some people don't and there is no generalisation about it...it's all subjective to the individual person....

..but anyway, it wasn't from 'his time' when he was in Hell's kitchen and didn't show any change in his bigoted views...I guess it's interesting with the analogy to Chis Brown because people do have very fixed views about him and that would be hard to change them...he would have to do something for those views to be changed and that's just a natural thing that people do have personal things that they find abhorrent in someone, we all do...for me, Jim hasn't done anything in the house for me to change my opinion of him...I find his humour still quite sarcastic and personal...and it's just not really my thing..and I think he's extremely sexist, which again, Dappy was rightfully criticised for and I don't think it's any different for Jim or Lionel because for me, there is no 'age' that, that's expectable....


..anyway, I could go on but I won't..:laugh:...I will say one positive thing though..I don't personally think that Jim has shown any signs that he has changed at all, and that is a judgement of his time in the house..he's too contradictory, oh let's all live and let live/chill etc and then he'll throw something out there that's quite provocative to an argument and just walk away from it..but then he's not the only one to do that either...but if by being in the BB house and seeing his popularity etc does change him for the better as a person because he's encouraged by the support etc...then that's a good thing...but he still won't be funny..:laugh:...

..as for the wife beating thing, well there are many, many people out there who have had issues with alcohol etc and had bad times in their lives and have still never raised a hand in violence to another person and especially someone who has had trust in you, so that really doesn't equate for me...there is absolutely no 'excuse' that makes that acceptable...but yeah, in the house, just generally not really that impressed with him...

Couldn't have put it better my self, 100% agree with you, another thing people on here seem to he overlooking as well he is homophobic pig, the way he treated Brian Dowlan on Hells Kitchen was vile ....IMHO

That's what makes him even more objectionable of a casting choice, especially when you consider that he was this close to entering a series Brian hosted

Exactly, I can't believe he's is favourite to win at the moment, can't understand why people would consider putting money on him.:devil:

we are taught that forgiveness makes us a better person!

do I trust jim? hell no!, do I find him amusing?, yes.

we laugh at someone when they hurt them selves!.

to ben, life's a funny old game!

Reece we all interact every day with people who do not share our views, I have a friend who is an out and out racist, I also have family members who hold racist views and sexist views on women, that doesn't mean I cut them out of my life, mainly it means I just roll my eyes, or we have a bit of a debate about it. It is possible to know and get on with people who have completely different views and outlooks in life.

Interesting article here, even if it is from the DM if anyone cares to read it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ilderness.html

he got help in dealing with his anger..he's a changed man..get over it.

Why are people so consumed with Jims past. If memory serves me right, Nelson Mandela had a pretty chequered past and so did his wife Winnie. Are we to forget him now due to his past. I think not. Jim haters are just desperate to slag him off and his past is all they can see, its blinding them.

Ive read through all this and all I can see is people saying look at his past...look at his past....move thw **** on...he hasnt personally done anything to anyone here....

Reformation and learning are the points of having experiences. Jim's ex-wife may never forgive what he has done, but I have no right to hate him on her behalf as though he beat me. The logic of punishing him eternally is flawed in that none of us are perfect and if raised differently, or having witnessed domestic violence and having become desensitised to it, taught different ideals or placed in different situations, we might be stunned at how our ethical boundaries shift. Jim is controlling himself whilst being constantly attacked. His saying he is not being his usual self may be linked to his own guilt and poor self-view due to past transgressions. That conviction that we are intrinsically evil is often the greatest motivator to effect change in our behaviour. I suspect there is a lot of displacement and projection here and Jim is taking the hatred for some posters' own experiences.

To me there are few things worse a man can do than lay a finger on a woman. Alcoholism or not there is no excuse. I find it very hard to attach myself to a man that has done that I don't care how long ago it was and what he does in the house.

Great post.

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People still going on about it, this wife beating thing is getting beyond boring. Anyone would think he kicked the living **** out of her. It was a slap driven or fuelled by extreme alchohol abuse and it does not condone it, I know, but in some ways he has changed and that's hard. Give the guy a break and applaud him for changing.

I think as far as situations in the house occurred, i think he's handled himself well, he's walked away from confrontation and people blatantly trying to get a rise out of him (Jasmine and Linda spring to mind) I hope it's a way he's learned to deal with his temper and that he's changed who he was. That being said I would never support him to win because of his past.

This thread title fits perfectly into the Nelly Furtado "Maneater" song.

http://www.empireonline.com/images/f.../photos/20.jpg

And that's all I gots to say about that.