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Kizzy 23-01-2014 08:17 AM

No it wasn't, sexism is an attitude and a set of core values that defines one sex as superior to another...
Luisas one remark relating to a task that she felt that ollie or jim would be better suited at is not an indicator that she believes in a sexist ideology.

I think there is positive and negative sexism, chivalry and gentlemanly behaviour can be seen as 'positive sexism' which is cultural, and misogyny 'negative' which is personal.

Cherie 23-01-2014 08:51 AM

Why would the men be better suited to an eating task than the women though?

Kizzy 23-01-2014 09:28 AM

Hey don't start tarring me with that sexist brush..... I didn't say 'the men' I said ollie or jim, if luisa was there I would have said her too as she's very determined.

Northern Monkey 23-01-2014 10:24 AM

Yeah i noticed too.It's all bollocks,Apparently sexism can only work one way in some femenists eyes.Luisa just wants things to be 'more equal' for women.Plus Linda is a bitch anyway,I think she was well suited to the task.

Ellen 23-01-2014 10:30 AM

Yeah i noticed this, she just mentions the men that are there, she does not mention Sam stepping up to do the eating task.

flamingGalah! 23-01-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Salman! (Post 6650431)
You're getting mixed up with common courtesy and sexism. Linda is an elderly woman the men definitely should have put themselves forward.

Anyone who calls that sexism is simply clutching at straws. Is it sexist to open a door for a woman? Pretty sure 100% of people on this forum said in a poll the other day it's not

Linda isn't 'elderly' lol! And Jim is older than her, if it was down to common courtesy then Ollie should have lept up to do the task, not try to wriggle out of it by saying he had eaten 4 Weetabix! And surely it is sexist for men to jump in & offer to do a task, as a silly weak little woman is so incapable of doing it... I love how many woman are only feminists when it suits them :joker:

And Liz's comment was clearly sexist, a man shouldn't all a woman a nasty name, yet it is ok for a woman to call a man a ******?!? Unbelievable & I like Liz :nono:

Seraphim 23-01-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by troynuncdicit (Post 6650892)
It's impossible for women to be sexist against men because that requires prejudice and power and women have never had power, and quite frankly will never have power over men. Liz and Luisa's comments may have been biased, but their feelings can never be institutionalized in a world where being a (white, straight) man means everything. When men cry reverse sexism it's really just men not getting the privileges they're used to getting tbqh.

Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex, so you are wrong.

Your post is a bit sexist, to be honest. Throughout history there have powerful women. Elizabeth 1 is upheld as one of the greatest monarchs in English history; Margaret Thatcher was one of the most influencial British politicians in my lifetime; women's voices are heard on TV, radio and in print. As mothers and wives, women have power: many dominate the home and help to mould their children into the people they will become; the nursing and teaching professions are dominated by women, which gives them the power over life and death, and the opportunity to shape the future by influencing/developing young minds. Some women use their positions as wives to enhance their husband's career, or gain a platform of their own, aka Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama.

The idea that women have never had or will never have power over men is a fallacy which has at it's root the sexist notion that the most important strength is physical strength / status / wealth and that the roles which men traditionally play in society are the most important.

In most western countries, education and opportunities exists for both sexes, and women can succeed and excel in what is still regarded as a "man's world". Just because women choose to prioritise child-rearing, or other areas, rather than pursue a career in business or politics, it does not mean that they could not do so should they desire.

In countries where women are regarded as chattals their voices and influence can still resound world-wide. Look at Malala Yousafzai - as a child, the Taliban saw her as such a threat that they tried to assassinate her.

Macie Lightfoot 23-01-2014 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6651654)
Sexism is prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination on the basis of sex, so you are wrong.

Your post is a bit sexist, to be honest. Throughout history there have powerful women. Elizabeth 1 is upheld as one of the greatest monarchs in English history; Margaret Thatcher was one of the most influencial British politicians in my lifetime; women's voices are heard on TV, radio and in print. As mothers and wives, women have power: many dominate the home and help to mould their children into the people they will become; the nursing and teaching professions are dominated by women, which gives them the power over life and death, and the opportunity to shape the future by influencing/developing young minds. Some women use their positions as wives to enhance their husband's career, or gain a platform of their own, aka Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama.

The idea that women have never had or will never have power over men is a fallacy which has at it's root the sexist notion that the most important strength is physical strength / status / wealth and that the roles which men traditionally play in society are the most important.

In most western countries, education and opportunities exists for both sexes, and women can succeed and excel in what is still regarded as a "man's world". Just because women choose to prioritise child-rearing, or other areas, rather than pursue a career in business or politics, it does not mean that they could not do so should they desire.

In countries where women are regarded as chattals their voices and influence can still resound world-wide. Look at Malala Yousafzai - as a child, the Taliban saw her as such a threat that they tried to assassinate her.

I'm not wrong. For one, the definition mentions women. Additionally, sexism incorporates prejudice and power and women has a sex have never had power over men as a sex. That's not sexist, that's history. Women's suffrage, women's rights to property, rape as a weapon of war, Roe v .Wade, the Global Gender Gap Report, and Saudi Arabian women fighting for the right to drive are just a few examples of an immense history of sexism. Men have always had the upper hand and and the reason I said that women are never going to have power over men is because there will never be rights that women have and men don't have. There can certainly be bias against men but reverse sexism is a complete myth.

Me. I Am Salman 23-01-2014 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingGalah! (Post 6651412)
Linda isn't 'elderly' lol! And Jim is older than her, if it was down to common courtesy then Ollie should have lept up to do the task, not try to wriggle out of it by saying he had eaten 4 Weetabix! And surely it is sexist for men to jump in & offer to do a task, as a silly weak little woman is so incapable of doing it... I love how many woman are only feminists when it suits them :joker:

And Liz's comment was clearly sexist, a man shouldn't all a woman a nasty name, yet it is ok for a woman to call a man a ******?!? Unbelievable & I like Liz :nono:

tl;dr

Lewarse 23-01-2014 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Salman! (Post 6653517)
tl;dr

wow - insightful.

Cherie 23-01-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by StupidHoe (Post 6650509)
I took it that she was saying a stronger stomached member of the group would have been a better because Liz has phobias, Linda is quite old and as I stated before Ollie and Jim are nice guys who would probably take the hit for her. I'd have eaten it if I was in a house and they asked an older member to do it. If she had said 'a man should have done that' I'd understand what you're saying tbh but not this way.

You are forgetting Sam? why couldn't she do it?


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