Originally Posted by optimisticcynic (Post 6666523)

Wow, you administered tests. That must make you very clever. IQ does involve language, understanding and all the components you claim are irrelevant and I too have undertaken IQ testing. Your comment about my understanding is child-like. What is the basis for your assumption that Luisa is a genius? Other than the fact that she says she is.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6666381)

Yeah okay, tell me how many of the world's greatest entrepreneurs got to the top by being pleasant and pandering to others. We're not even talking about a potential Bill Gates or Steve Jobs here, we're talking about a woman who runs a cupcake business and has used reality TV to further her career horizons. Being on the Apprentice gave her some initial exposure and CBB has helped promote her and her brand even further; how many small business owners have managed to do the same? The character of the company owner matters, yes, but not nearly as much as the actual business they are running or the products they are selling. People wear Coco Chanel and Hugo Boss products despite their extensive involvement with the Nazis because they like what the companies are selling; Luisa Zissman being a bit loud and argumentative on a Channel 5 TV program for a month is not going to matter in the slightest if people like what she's selling.

Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6666519)

The apprentice is a reality tv/entertainment show more than anything else though^^^

And Luisa's cupcake shop seem's to be doing good yeah but if she was as intelligent as she keeps telling everyone she is then she would realise she's not maximising income potential with her other businesses because she is basically confining her products from two or three separate companies to the one town/area, to get a better customer base and increase sales she will need to broaden her area.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6666381)

Yeah okay, tell me how many of the world's greatest entrepreneurs got to the top by being pleasant and pandering to others. We're not even talking about a potential Bill Gates or Steve Jobs here, we're talking about a woman who runs a cupcake business and has used reality TV to further her career horizons. Being on the Apprentice gave her some initial exposure and CBB has helped promote her and her brand even further; how many small business owners have managed to do the same? The character of the company owner matters, yes, but not nearly as much as the actual business they are running or the products they are selling. People wear Coco Chanel and Hugo Boss products despite their extensive involvement with the Nazis because they like what the companies are selling; Luisa Zissman being a bit loud and argumentative on a Channel 5 TV program for a month is not going to matter in the slightest if people like what she's selling.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6666551)

Luisa's only 25 and she's a single mum trying to bring up her little girl and give her the best life she can. Give her a break folks.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6666511)

So you think that Alan Sugar's top guys looked into Luisa's businesses and gave them the seal of approval based on them being "worth £192"? I don't think so. What makes you think you know better than them?

You shouldn't pronounce on matters you don't have a lot of insight into, as it just makes you look a bit silly. The same as that person who thought Luisa had scored 60 in an IQ test.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6666142)

I think she is great. She has entertained me, and she stands up for what she believes.. She doesn't always get it right, and is prepared to admit she's wrong when it's appropriate. She shows her intelligence in being able to understand different aspects of every argument, and in the creative way she has fun. She isn't spineless - she stood up to Dappy and told him when he made that sexist comment, and since then they've become friends. She is a bit full-on, but when she has teased people it was in a spirit of fun. She was influenced by Linda, as they all were, and she has admitted that. She isn't vindictive, in my opinion, and I'm not sure that she's more of a bully than anyone else - she hasn't really done much to deserve being called that: she nominated Jim and gave sound reasons, made up that jokey song about Ollie, and apologised while also explaining why she had done that, and how it had appeared to her (and many viewers agreed with her.) She squealed "It's the grim reaper" to Jim as a joke, etc. For her campaign speech, rather than slate someone, she nominated Lee for being a womaniser, albeit in a light-hearted way, and advised other women to stay away.

If I was her mother, I'd be very proud of her. I like others in the house too. There's simply no need to slate a young woman you don't know like this just because she's not your favourite to win.

P.S. Her cake shop is doing fine, and she doesn't need any investment. She went onto The Apprentice hoping to win funding for a 3rd business. Lord Alan Sugar had his top business advisers dig into Luisa's business affairs, check out her claims and look over her business plan for the new business (her 3rd) which she wanted to set up, and they didn't find anything wrong with it. It was a very close thing for winning the apprentice, but in the end, the other girl had bigger plans which would make a lot of money, and Lord Sugar always follows the money. Luisa has already got the funding for her new business from elsewhere, and it's already in operation. Her cake shop is still going strong too - one of the most recent reviews said that it was so popular that they'd had to queue to get served. That's not bad for a single mum in her mid 20s. Most others would be claiming benefit. I wonder what all the critics here had achieved by their mid-20s.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6666535)

Can y'all get some avatars plz it's confusing

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic (Post 6666377)

Luisa scored 60-odd in the IQ test, with the national average being 60. She is not some genius, despite her self-proclamation. She is BARELY above average.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6666142)

I think she is great. She has entertained me, and she stands up for what she believes.. She doesn't always get it right, and is prepared to admit she's wrong when it's appropriate. She shows her intelligence in being able to understand different aspects of every argument, and in the creative way she has fun. She isn't spineless - she stood up to Dappy and told him when he made that sexist comment, and since then they've become friends. She is a bit full-on, but when she has teased people it was in a spirit of fun. She was influenced by Linda, as they all were, and she has admitted that. She isn't vindictive, in my opinion, and I'm not sure that she's more of a bully than anyone else - she hasn't really done much to deserve being called that: she nominated Jim and gave sound reasons, made up that jokey song about Ollie, and apologised while also explaining why she had done that, and how it had appeared to her (and many viewers agreed with her.) She squealed "It's the grim reaper" to Jim as a joke, etc. For her campaign speech, rather than slate someone, she nominated Lee for being a womaniser, albeit in a light-hearted way, and advised other women to stay away.

If I was her mother, I'd be very proud of her. I like others in the house too. There's simply no need to slate a young woman you don't know like this just because she's not your favourite to win.
P.S. Her cake shop is doing fine, and she doesn't need any investment. She went onto The Apprentice hoping to win funding for a 3rd business. Lord Alan Sugar had his top business advisers dig into Luisa's business affairs, check out her claims and look over her business plan for the new business (her 3rd) which she wanted to set up, and they didn't find anything wrong with it. It was a very close thing for winning the apprentice, but in the end, the other girl had bigger plans which would make a lot of money, and Lord Sugar always follows the money. Luisa has already got the funding for her new business from elsewhere, and it's already in operation. Her cake shop is still going strong too - one of the most recent reviews said that it was so popular that they'd had to queue to get served. That's not bad for a single mum in her mid 20s. Most others would be claiming benefit. I wonder what all the critics here had achieved by their mid-20s.

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic (Post 6666377)

Luisa scored 60-odd in the IQ test, with the national average being 60. She is not some genius, despite her self-proclamation. She is BARELY above average.

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt (Post 6666733)

And the fact she thought she had just taken an IQ test proves she's a bit thick because that wasn't one.:joker:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6664824)

shes a total hypocrite as we all know

she doesnt care what people think or feel....yet suddenly she doesnt like it when people criticize her

she tells it like it is , but cant take it back.....she pretends she can, but she cant

she says no man should talk to her like that , yet she pours verbal abuse at jim and dappy , shouts at an 82 yera old man and is also ageist towards him, then she preaches about equality? because she cant take it back? she screams sexism is a man dare say the same things back

she admits now that psycho linda has gone she may now be able to get on with jim a bit more....why couldnt she do that when jasmine and linda were in the house? because she goes with the crowd of man haters...spineless

she calls jim a sexist pig ...yet cant back it up when jim asks what have I done in here thats so sexist? she says oh you admitted you were sexist , jim replies......"yes when I admitted that you were crying and upset at the time and I said it to cheer you up and make you laugh, but you choose not to remember that":wavey:

jimbo rules every night, simply because hes fundamentally more sincere and more genuine. i also think depe down hes more truthful. louisa doesnt say it as it is. she is a one dimensional cartoon caricature. she even admitted her nominations she didnt really mean. yet she thought jims was nasty. yet she thought jim was playing to the cameras. he was he meant it. she was just playing up to linda and jasmine and the viewers who she thought wrongly would all hate jim , simply because they are mainly women. talk about steretyping women

louisa has spent far too much time in a small group of friends, probably phenomenally bitchy , vindictive spiteful selfish hurtful and nasty. she thinks everyone thinks like that and she gives in to the peer pressure of the bitching

the way she treated olly , who yes sounds as fake as a ten bob note at times, was mean and merciless. some thought it was funny? it was as funny as kicking a poodle in the face. pathetic

hopefully a few days with jimbo will at leats allow her to look at life differently and take more from this experience that cash and twitter followers.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6664824)

shes a total hypocrite as we all know

she doesnt care what people think or feel....yet suddenly she doesnt like it when people criticize her

she tells it like it is , but cant take it back.....she pretends she can, but she cant

she says no man should talk to her like that , yet she pours verbal abuse at jim and dappy , shouts at an 82 yera old man and is also ageist towards him, then she preaches about equality? because she cant take it back? she screams sexism is a man dare say the same things back

she admits now that psycho linda has gone she may now be able to get on with jim a bit more....why couldnt she do that when jasmine and linda were in the house? because she goes with the crowd of man haters...spineless

she calls jim a sexist pig ...yet cant back it up when jim asks what have I done in here thats so sexist? she says oh you admitted you were sexist , jim replies......"yes when I admitted that you were crying and upset at the time and I said it to cheer you up and make you laugh, but you choose not to remember that":wavey:

jimbo rules every night, simply because hes fundamentally more sincere and more genuine. i also think depe down hes more truthful. louisa doesnt say it as it is. she is a one dimensional cartoon caricature. she even admitted her nominations she didnt really mean. yet she thought jims was nasty. yet she thought jim was playing to the cameras. he was he meant it. she was just playing up to linda and jasmine and the viewers who she thought wrongly would all hate jim , simply because they are mainly women. talk about steretyping women

louisa has spent far too much time in a small group of friends, probably phenomenally bitchy , vindictive spiteful selfish hurtful and nasty. she thinks everyone thinks like that and she gives in to the peer pressure of the bitching

the way she treated olly , who yes sounds as fake as a ten bob note at times, was mean and merciless. some thought it was funny? it was as funny as kicking a poodle in the face. pathetic

hopefully a few days with jimbo will at leats allow her to look at life differently and take more from this experience that cash and twitter followers.

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic (Post 6666549)

Fair point in most instances, Zee, but I'd guess that a reputation as a sex addict in the food industry is as appealing to customers as hearing your local icecream man is a chronic masturbator.