Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6720006)

GypsyGoth - I totally agree that it would be better for England, or at least Englands national identity, in the long run. My partner is English now living here in Scotland and has commented on how sad it is that England currently has very little national identity as an individual country, whereas Scotland, Ireland and even Wales all have quite strong identities as countries. "English" identity is firmly routed in British identity / the British Empire and now that that empire is dead, England finds itself floundering with very little solid identity of its own. There are great areas and regional micro-cultures buy even those are dying out to some degree. We lived in her hometown in Lancashire for 3 years and it always saddened me that the older generations had such a local identity - the accent, the attitudes, the sense of humour - were all so very "Lancashire" but the younger generations just have generic Manchester accents and no sense of local identity at all.

I think that's what some people living in England fail to understand: they talk about how Scotland will be so small with independence, and won't have that "global" place "on the world stage" that the UK as a whole "enjoys". They find it hard to comprehend that, maybe, we don't WANT a big place on the world stage or in global politics... That Scottish people might be happy to just roll with the punches and be Scottish, in Scotland.

It's the attitude of power and empire that's been handed down through the generations. People find it impossible to change that view that being a "major player" is the be all and end all when, in reality, in our day to day lives, it doesn't matter at all. It's just pride.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 6720006)

GypsyGoth - I totally agree that it would be better for England, or at least Englands national identity, in the long run. My partner is English now living here in Scotland and has commented on how sad it is that England currently has very little national identity as an individual country, whereas Scotland, Ireland and even Wales all have quite strong identities as countries. "English" identity is firmly routed in British identity / the British Empire and now that that empire is dead, England finds itself floundering with very little solid identity of its own. There are great areas and regional micro-cultures buy even those are dying out to some degree. We lived in her hometown in Lancashire for 3 years and it always saddened me that the older generations had such a local identity - the accent, the attitudes, the sense of humour - were all so very "Lancashire" but the younger generations just have generic Manchester accents and no sense of local identity at all.

I think that's what some people living in England fail to understand: they talk about how Scotland will be so small with independence, and won't have that "global" place "on the world stage" that the UK as a whole "enjoys". They find it hard to comprehend that, maybe, we don't WANT a big place on the world stage or in global politics... That Scottish people might be happy to just roll with the punches and be Scottish, in Scotland.

It's the attitude of power and empire that's been handed down through the generations. People find it impossible to change that view that being a "major player" is the be all and end all when, in reality, in our day to day lives, it doesn't matter at all. It's just pride.

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 6716805)

literally no one in scotland wants it except the egg who's the first minister bye it'll be a no vote anyway (hopefully)

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745549)

Anyone who watched gogglebox last night and saw the posh family talking about Scotland and independence would have seen a good example of one of the exact reasons why Scotland wish for independence.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6745813)

As if anyone would ever think that pair of ridiculous knobs represent the English. Or indeed, represent anyone other than detestable, loathsome middle class dickheads.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 6745830)

woooah there cowgirl, dont break the spell - the woman steph in that is who I have you pictured as in your Norfolk mansion?

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6746008)

As she's about thirty years older and at least three stone heavier I am delighted to disappoint you.